Diammonium Phosphate Overdose???

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Luke7e, Jun 22, 2015.

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  1. Luke7e

    Luke7e Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2014 Maine

    My 1 lb bag from L.D. Carlson stated 1 tsp per gallon....now I am reading that it is 1 tsp per 5 gallons???? Am I just going to have a hyper speed fermentation in my conical or do I need to be worried about poisoning my customers???? Is there a negative to what I did. I have 35 gallons in my conical right now and don't want to have to dump it if I don't have to...
     
  2. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I have used 1tsp per gallon in a non-beer related alcoholic beverage, without any ill-effects.
     
  3. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    SHUT DOWN THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  4. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Do you run a commercial brewery? If so, you might want to revisit any processes that leave you asking this question. If not, you might want to refrain from making it publicly known that you are selling homebrew.
     
  5. Applecrew135

    Applecrew135 Crusader (431) Jul 18, 2012 Pennsylvania

    From an MSDS for Diammonium Phosphate:

    POTENTIAL HEALTH EFFECTS:

    Acute Eye:
    May cause irritation.

    Acute Skin:
    Skin absorption not likely. May cause irritation.

    Acute Inhalation:
    May cause upper respiratory tract irritation.

    Acute Ingestion:
    Ingestion of large quantities may cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal cramps.

    Chronic Effects:
    This product does not contain any ingredient as probable or
    suspected human carcinogen.

    Can't tell you what the dosage is that would cause acute ingestion symptoms.

    Your call....
    If it made people ill, I doubt it would be a positive experience for your customers and would be bad for business.
     
  6. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    Just dump it, you clearly are not ready to brew and sell anything to the general public. Go and learn first, get some experience then go on your own

    the amount you used is what is used in meads and wines all the time as they lack the necessary nitrogen that yeast need. All grain wort has available nitrogen for the yeast, which is why you will see it suggested to add less, if you add any at all
     
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  7. Applecrew135

    Applecrew135 Crusader (431) Jul 18, 2012 Pennsylvania

    For what it's worth, some additional information from the MSDS:

    Ingestion of large quantities of phosphate salts (over 1.0 grams for an adult) may cause an osmotic catharsis
    resulting in diarrhea and probable abdominal cramps. Larger doses such as 4-8 grams will almost certainly cause
    these effects in everyone. In healthy individuals most of the ingested salt will be excreted in the feces with the
    diarrhea and, thus, not cause any systemic toxicity. Doses greater than 10 grams hypothetically may cause
    systemic toxicity.

    Take the hit and dump it. Get to know your process and ingredients better before you go public.
     
  8. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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    You can sell it as a cleansing beer... and probably charge a premium.
    (jk btw)
     
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  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Let's see. If DAP is around 4 grams per teaspoon...
    It was added at a rate of 4 grams per gallon, or 1 gram per quart.

    Unless OP knows that whatever it is in the DAP that causes diarrhea (etc.) is transformed by the fermentation, we're talking about a couple of pints for his customer to hit the 1 gram (equivalent) level.

    I'd dump. (The beer.)
     
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