Did beer create civilization?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by fx20736, May 11, 2013.

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  1. fx20736

    fx20736 Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2009 New York

    Quite a few interesting articles out there on how the desire for a regular source of beer may have been the spur that changed Homo Sapiens from a nomadic, hunter-gatherer to a civilized consumer. The articles all cite a Canadian named Brian Hayden, an archaeologist at the Simon Fraser University in Canada:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/opinion/sunday/how-beer-gave-us-civilization.html?_r=0

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2010/11/09/how-beer-created-civilization/

    http://www.livescience.com/10221-beer-lubricated-rise-civilization-study-suggests.html

    this link includes an interesting documentary titled "How Beer Saved the World"

    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/how-beer-saved-the-world/

    As a guy with a B.A. in History this stuff really excites me.
     
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  2. BenTenison

    BenTenison Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013 New Jersey

    No the Irish did, then we got drunk and forgot where we put it. :slight_smile:
     
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  3. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Pooh-Bah (1,571) May 13, 2007 South Carolina
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    “Fermentation and civilization are inseparable.” - John Ciardi, English dramatist (1916-1986)
     
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  4. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
    In Memoriam

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  5. afrokaze

    afrokaze Pooh-Bah (1,962) Jun 12, 2009 Oregon
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    Beer has long been an important part of human life, and I really enjoy learning the historical connections more and more. But srsly, that movie is pretty awful. It's on Netflix but I'd spare yourself the time and read up instead.
     
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  6. MetalMountainMastiff

    MetalMountainMastiff Initiate (0) Oct 1, 2012 California

    Stoned ape theory believes shrooms did.
     
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  7. djsmith1174

    djsmith1174 Savant (1,015) Aug 21, 2005 Minnesota

    Yeah, it's a little too condensed and slanted to be factual. Some interesting points in it that warrant further investigation to dig up the real facts. Obviously, some are going to be difficult to prove since much of it was not recorded.
     
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  8. frazbri

    frazbri Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2003 Ohio

    I don't know if beer created civilization, but it sure made living in it more tolerable.
     
  9. Chinon01

    Chinon01 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2007 Pennsylvania

    I'd think that agriculture had to have come first.
     
  10. sandiego67

    sandiego67 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2008 California

    So, are we all ancestors of the original caveman who decided to eat/drink the foul smelling, rotting gruel left over after a rain storm?
     
  11. KS1297

    KS1297 Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2013 Wisconsin

    From my gradeschool history knowlegde I would say that agriculture created civilization and then civilization created beer.
     
  12. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Beers, dogs, and grandparents enabled civilization.
     
  13. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
    In Memoriam Pooh-Bah Trader

    Yes, his name was N'gombo, and he was a distant relative on my dad's side.
     
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