Different intoxications from different beers

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by JayORear, Aug 26, 2014.

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  1. NJM

    NJM Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2009 Massachusetts

    Effects from different hop strains, much like cannabis (as you stated), can vary.

    I've always noted the superior buzz I get from Heady Topper. Surely it's a amazingly crafted beer on all fronts, but I feel the hop strains used and their amounts, is dead on.
     
  2. SaCkErZ9

    SaCkErZ9 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,057) Feb 27, 2005 South Carolina
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    Fermentation temperature and length of fermentation and/or secondary fermentation a are HUGE factors as well. Beer fermented at higher temperature has more fusel alcohols and esters, which are contributing factors to hangovers. Theoretically, a multi distilled vodka has the least amount of hangover induced chemicals because everything is distilled out, leaving only alcohol. Every alcohol is different, so I would say the OP could have differing effects depending on alcohol consumed.
     
  3. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Is this fact?
     
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  4. riverlen

    riverlen Pundit (852) Sep 16, 2009 Illinois

    I think it's some other compound in the beers. Going back decades I've known a number of people, me included, who get headaches and a hangover effect from small amounts of Budweiser. So if I'm someplace where macro brews are my only choice, it's anything but Bud.
     
  5. rather

    rather Initiate (0) May 31, 2013 California

    I tried crazy mountain's neomexicanus hopped pale ale and a pint of that while only being 6% gave me a different/nice buzz completely unrelated to alcohol.
     
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  6. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    Do higher alcohols like fusels affect us much? in distillation of whisky they get rid of the heads and tails, ie the different alcohols that have a different boiling point to ethanol. But in beer we don't do that, so perhaps different yeasts/grists can produce differing amounts of those other alcohols that affect us in different ways.
     
  7. NCMonte

    NCMonte Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2014 North Carolina

    I have a hard time, obviously, by my two posts above thinking that any alcohol can give you a different "buzz" or a different headache than any other, if we are talking the same alcohol's here. Not sure that a mixing of different grains would change the type of hangover you would have. Someone will have to show me scientific proof.

    Other factors, like the amount of hydration one already has when they start consuming beer, or lack of sufficient caffeine in their system causing a caffeine withdrawal prior to drinking or allergy effect or such may play a part, but not just straight Alcohol. There is no real variable in that, at least to my knowledge.

    Ethanol is it, there better not be any other alcohol's in a beer, or we are talking potentially serious hazards to one's body.
     
  8. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    nope, its total bs. but lets not let it get in the way of lots of odd ball theories. it is beer talk. lol:grinning:

    read Hops, the book, by Stan Hieronymus
     
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  9. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    See my (admittedly lengthy) post above. A hangover is absolutely verifiable, scientifically. Take someone with Celiac's Disease: there are gluten free beers specifically designed for them. If a true Celiac imbibed enough beer with gluten, sure enough, they aren't going to feel very good the next day. That's not the same thing as an alcohol hangover, but it absolutely makes them feel worse the next day.

    Can someone feel different from different grains? Yes. It's called an allergy, or on a milder scale, a sensitivity.

    Where you're right, as far as I know (and I don't claim to know empirically either way), is that none of this should affect the buzz one feels. As in, a different "type" of high. With marijuana, this is pretty easy to define as based on different strains, different levels of THC crystal doping (kief), different strengths. Like ethanol, though, isn't all marijuana still, well, marijuana?

    I tend to believe that any buzz from ethanol, with all variables (hydration, food consumption, amount of alcohol) equalized, should be the same across different beers or liquors. I don't know that for a fact, though, and I think people throwing out the idea that different hop strains might affect a person differently may be on to something (but I'd rather see the science before I start believing it as anything more than barely plausible).

    Your final point, though: yes, methanol is a hazard to one's body. But you're wrong in that it cannot be present in alcohol:

    http://homedistiller.org/intro/methanol/methanol

    From the article: "Stephen Alexander reports that commercial spirits contain small levels of methanol."

    Then there's this. Take from it what you will.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...the-best-hangover-cure-book-says-9687346.html

    Finally, this:

    http://www.hamsnetwork.org/hangover/

    Summary (for those who don't want to read through this whole thing): there is more to a beer than ethanol, which is the primary component that gets you buzzed or drunk. Other compounds almost certainly contribute to your own personal hangover. How they may affect the quality of your buzz isn't something that I think anyone has proven either way.
     
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  10. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Just realized I complained about my own post being too long, in a post that ended up being longer. :confused:

    "If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter."
    -Originator unknown, but possibly passed down by Pascal. :grinning:
     
  11. NJM

    NJM Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2009 Massachusetts

    @azorie

    You must have missed the various charts throughout the book regarding hop oils, their percentages in each hop, as well as the many varying characteristics in aroma, taste.

    One could logically gather that the medicinal properties may slightly vary from strain to strain. Take it one step further and start experimenting with hop teas.
     
  12. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    we assume he is normal regular guy, that maybe had a few too many bongs hits, and beers and IMHO just came up with a semi original beer talk question.....I am sure I am wrong though, lol
     
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  13. humuloner22

    humuloner22 Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 North Carolina

    I was going to state that congeners could be a factor. I do get a different "clear headed" buzz from those vodka's/gins that have been distilled god knows how many times. But I honestly drink beer in particular for taste not for buzz and the buzz is a pleasant side effect of drinking them. So, based upon that logic I would drink only multiple distilled neutral grain spirits with no taste (to me) but alcohol, because all I am searching for is a buzz. But that is not why I drink beer, rum, or whiskey. I drink them because I like the taste, I suppose, that the congeners impart into the beverage that I choose to drink. Sometimes one has to suffer in order to truly appreciate pleasure.
     
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  14. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    nope I seen them, chemicals are alpha and beta oils right? mainly right,. they get boiled off and impart flavor? What do they leave behind that effects the brain, I did not read that part, give me a page number I be glad to go back and reread it.
     
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  15. JayORear

    JayORear Grand Pooh-Bah (3,058) Feb 22, 2012 California
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    If by "he" you mean me, the OP, nope, I wasn't high when I wrote the question, although I'd had a few beers, for sure. But it's something I've thought about quite a lot, and not just while intoxicated. Reading through the various posts, including the predictably awesome ones by @Roguer, I realize that I probably didn't quite articulate my original question as precisely as I could have. Some of you seem to have gotten closer to the spirit of my question, though, which is really about mental/psychological effects of different beers (not just "intoxication" per se). Marijuana was the closest analogy I could come up with, though admittedly imprecise. Anyway, lots of food for thought here. Keep it coming if you'd like.
     
  16. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    cool. the smoke part was just me being silly. :grinning:
    I been known to enjoy a few In Amsterdam with my beer...:grimacing::rolling_eyes: i been known to see some pink elephants at times, j/k.....

    its beer chat. who cares, its not like its rocket science anyway....
    Prost.
     
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  17. NJM

    NJM Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2009 Massachusetts

    Page 138 is a good place to start.

    Then, if you have too much time on your hands like myself, you could begin looking into the various oils. Myrcene, limonene, linalool, caryophyllene and so forth. You'll find lots of them are contained in other herbs as well. Then you'll see studies of other herbs directly correlate those compounds to medicinal effects given.

    Either way, you're right. It's beer.
     
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  18. BottleCaps80

    BottleCaps80 Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2013 Iowa

    I dunno, I can certainly tell a different type of intoxication when I drink Tequila. I am the happiest drunk in the world off anything but Tequila. It tends to get me "roudy" and aggressive and I don't like that. It affects me differently than anything else and is why I stay away from it.
     
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  19. thomda11

    thomda11 Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2014 California

    Well, 'cause no one else has said it, Ethanol is Ethanol!
     
  20. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I too over last 10 years or so have encountered a few rare occassions of very bad "morning after" badly nauseated situations with beer with similar issues as you are describing above. Similarly most every time I was impaired but far from drunk and not very intoxicated the night before at all. Just wondering, have you had your gall bladder removed? I'm trying to find coorelation. Sometimes I even feel fine initially, wake up early, shower, eat breakfast because I'm hungry, them WAMMO, out of no where I turn pale, extremely lethargic, badly nauseated/vomiting for a few hrs and then feel fine again by afternoon. This isn't very often, maybe 7-8 times over the last 10 years at best, just a few random weird occassions after having a few beers. Maybe its some other health issue going on with me but a few beers is always the consistent denominator to it, and the fact I don't recall having this issue before I had my gall bladder removed.
     
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