DIPA bittering help

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  1. Dmanuele1991

    Dmanuele1991 Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2014 Wisconsin

    Hi, I'm going to be brewing my first DIPA recipe this weekend and I plan on doing a 90 minute boil. The question I need help with its whether or not to lower the amount of bittering hops in the first two additions. I read that at 90 minutes one gets the most isomerization of the hops at that amount. With that being said would anyone know if it would be better to lower the amount say around .25 Oz instead of 0.8 Oz and just add more to the late hop additions? Recipe as of now:

    HOME BREW RECIPE:
    Title: Tiger Spit

    Brew Method: All Grain
    Style Name: Imperial IPA
    Boil Time: 90 min
    Batch Size: 6 gallons (fermentor volume)
    Boil Size: 7.5 gallons
    Boil Gravity: 1.060
    Efficiency: 73% (brew house)

    STATS:
    Original Gravity: 1.075
    Final Gravity: 1.015
    ABV (alternate): 8.37%
    IBU (tinseth): 101.18
    SRM (morey): 8.31

    FERMENTABLES:
    12 lb - American - Pale 2-Row (70.6%)
    1.5 lb - American - Carapils (Dextrine Malt) (8.8%)
    1.5 lb - Flaked Wheat (8.8%)
    1 lb - Canadian - Honey Malt (5.9%)
    0.5 lb - Flaked Oats (2.9%)
    0.5 lb - American - Caramel / Crystal 40L (2.9%)

    HOPS:
    0.8 oz - Columbus, Type: Pellet, AA: 15, Use: Boil for 90 min, IBU: 37.21
    0.2 oz - Columbus, Type: Pellet, AA: 15, Use: Boil for 45 min, IBU: 7.98
    0.6 oz - Citra, Type: Pellet, AA: 11, Use: Boil for 10 min, IBU: 6.94
    1 oz - Simcoe, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.7, Use: Boil for 10 min, IBU: 13.35
    1 oz - Amarillo, Type: Pellet, AA: 8.6, Use: Boil for 5 min, IBU: 4.97
    1 oz - Citra, Type: Pellet, AA: 11, Use: Boil for 5 min, IBU: 6.36
    1 oz - Columbus, Type: Pellet, AA: 15, Use: Boil for 5 min, IBU: 8.67
    1 oz - Simcoe, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.7, Use: Boil for 5 min, IBU: 7.34
    2 oz - Amarillo, Type: Pellet, AA: 8.6, Use: Boil for 1 min, IBU: 2.15
    2 oz - Citra, Type: Pellet, AA: 11, Use: Boil for 1 min, IBU: 2.75
    1 oz - Columbus, Type: Pellet, AA: 15, Use: Boil for 1 min, IBU: 1.88
    1 oz - Simcoe, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.7, Use: Boil for 1 min, IBU: 1.59
    4 oz - Citra, Type: Pellet, AA: 11, Use: Dry Hop for 5 days
    2 oz - Simcoe, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.7, Use: Dry Hop for 4 days
    3 oz - Amarillo, Type: Pellet, AA: 8.6, Use: Dry Hop for 3 days

    MASH GUIDELINES:
    1) Temp: 153 F, Time: 60 min
    Starting Mash Thickness: 1.25 qt/lb

    YEAST:
    GigaYeast - Vermont IPA Yeast
    Starter: No
    Form: Liquid
    Attenuation (avg): 80%
    Flocculation: Med-Low
    Optimum Temp: 62 - 75 F
    Fermentation Temp: 68 F
    Pitch Rate: 1.25 (M cells / ml / deg P)


    This recipe has been published online at:
    http://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/250674/tiger-spit

    Generated by Brewer's Friend - http://www.brewersfriend.com/
    Date: 2016-02-18 13:46 UTC
    Recipe Last Updated: 2016-02-12 15:28 UTC
     
  2. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    101 calculated IBUs sounds fine to me for a DIPA. You've got plenty of late-boil hops, so I don't see a reason to reduce the bittering charge.

    Looks like a solid recipe to me, hard to go wrong with Citra/Amarillo/Simcoe/Columbus. I might cut the honey malt down to reduce perceived sweetness, in fact a little table sugar is often helpful for drying out a DIPA so it doesn't drift into barleywine territory (although at 1.075 that is less of a concern than for a 8.5%+ ABV DIPA).
     
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  3. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Hops look good, I'd reduce the honey and caripills by .5 lb each.
     
  4. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    When I did my last DIPA, my "theoretical" IBU came out to about 100... It wasn't enough for me, it tasted more along the lines of 60-70 IBU's if I had to personally scale it based on experience... Brewing another soon and as of now, the theoretical is up around 200 IBU. But I like the resinous, bitter IPA's... Just something to keep in mind depending on your tastes.

    You could probably remove the carapils altogether since you have the flaked wheat, which will aid in head retention already.
     
  5. Dmanuele1991

    Dmanuele1991 Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2014 Wisconsin

    Thank you all for the help. I would lose some malt based on the suggestions but I already have it all purchased :/ I shall keep that in mind when I brew it again. And @OldSock if I add some table sugar into as the recipe is right now will that help dry the sweetness from the honey malt? Or is it too late?
     
  6. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    As in they are all mixed together? Sugar at this stage will increase the alcohol (so could make a bigger beer that might be more balanced), but it is more effective at drying a beer out when it is used to replace malt.
     
  7. Dmanuele1991

    Dmanuele1991 Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2014 Wisconsin

    @OldSock, yea they are all blended together
     
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  8. DVoors

    DVoors Zealot (627) Jan 6, 2014 Indiana

    That sounds like an awesome beer. It would have helped to cut down on the carapils and honey malt and add a little dextrose as others have said but I bet it will still turn out to be an awesome DIPA
     
  9. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
    Pooh-Bah

    I count 21.6 ounces of hops . . . for a 6 gallon batch. First let me state that I'm a card-carrying Hop Head. But 21.6 might be a stretch even for me. You're right at the theoretical limit for max IBUs and maybe(?) at the limit for hop oil absorption. Have you priced these hops yet?

    Specifically: Your 0.2 oz at 45 minutes could just as easily be absorbed in the 90 min addition. You have plenty of late additions, no need to shift this addition to later. The 45 min is almost identical to Pliny's recipe which I hate to besmirsch. What you are calling 1 min I suppose is your flame out step. Suggest you delay adding this until after FO, get the wort down under 190, add the hops, then whirlpool (stir) for at least 15 min (30 is better) . . . this helps retain hop oils (flavor).

    I take it you've already bought the grains and they are mixed. If not, consider ditching some of the "sweets" and adding sugar. Flaked oats will add nothing. IMO you don't want to finish at 1.015, consider driving this down closer to 1.010 . . . remember, you're not after a "balanced" beer here, the showcase is the hops. If the entire grain bill is already mixed I would still consider ditching a pound or so for sugar. Maybe couple this with a lower mash. I don't see how dh'ing at 5, 4, and 3 days will give you anything better than dh'ing all at 5 days (personally I would use less and dh for 7-10 days).

    If you carry through with 21.6 ounces be sure to account for wort loss due to absorption. I figure 3 ounces of liquid per ounce of hops, in your case that's 73+ ounces of liquid (more than 1/2 gallon). Finally, give some serious thought as to how you will physically add the hops. I.E. are you going to just toss in the dh? If in nylon bags you'll need 3 or 4 bags for 9 oz of dh . . . if tossed loose be aware of clogging during transfer. Have a plan worked out before brew day.

    Here's a link to Vinnie's discussion on Double IPAs: https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/attachments/0000/6351/doubleIPA.pdf
     
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  10. Dmanuele1991

    Dmanuele1991 Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2014 Wisconsin

    I did account for loss because of trub which is why I decided to make this a 6 gallon batch that way when I put it in the fermenter I'll at least get around 5-5.5 gallons.

    As of the whirlpool, I've never tried it before so I'm hesitant about trying it out on this recipe.
     
  11. Dmanuele1991

    Dmanuele1991 Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2014 Wisconsin

    I also am using 2 vials of Vermont ale yeast so I believe that will drop the F. G. More than what is estimated
     
  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'd say your experience and taste buds are pretty good, or they at least more or less agree with my math. My Modified Tinseth formula gives 72 IBUs for a Standard Tinseth 100 IBU result. And 84 IBUs for a Standard Tinseth 200 IBU result. (Each additional IBU is more expensive than the previous one.) I'd be interested in hearing your opinion about the result when you brew the calculated 200 IBU beer.
     
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