DIPA critique

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  1. tronester

    tronester Pooh-Bah (1,653) Nov 25, 2006 Oklahoma
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  2. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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    Looks good to me. It will probably end up quite a bit drier than 1.022 though.
     
  3. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Mabe add 1/2 to the Citras for dryhop?
     
  4. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    I would consider mashing lower, like 147-148. It needs to be as dry as possible, much lower than 1.022.
     
  5. nathanjohnson

    nathanjohnson Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2007 Vermont

    FG estimates are never accurate in these calculators. Pay no attention to it.

    To the OP, it needs more hops.
     
  6. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    Mostly looks decent. It probably will (or should) finish closer to 1.012 rather than 1.022. Anything over 1.015 or so would be a bit cloying, IMO. I'd lose either the Victory or the 20L crystal. You need a second dry hop about 5 days after the first, and the first could be bigger as well. Total time on dry hops (2 additions) = 10-14 days. I'd throw some more Columbus in there with the Citra but that's just me...
     
  7. tronester

    tronester Pooh-Bah (1,653) Nov 25, 2006 Oklahoma
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    It has 3.5 oz of hops, but this is only a 2.7 gallon batch. That's the equivalent of like 6.5oz of hops in a standard 5 gallon batch, right? Do you guys still think that's not enough hops?

    I like my IPA's sweeter typically. Do you guys still think I should cut the victory or crystal?
     
  8. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    There is nothing wrong with your recipe, as long as it ends up meeting your needs, which might be one (or more) of the following:

    (1) You like the way it tastes.
    (2) It has the flavor profile that you were shooting for.
    (3) You are entering it into competition, and it clearly meets the BJCP profile for a particular style.

    Personally, I think it is a fine recipe. Others might adjust it based on their preferences. The most important question is, is it what you want to brew?

    To address your last question specifically, if you want a good malt backbone the crystal and victory will help you achieve that.
     
  9. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I'd assume your doing a yeast starter or pitching a couple packets of us 05?? Check with Mr. Malty yeast calculator if you need to otherwise never mind... I like your recipe and hopville f.g. Always seems a bit higher than actual IMO
     
  10. jklinck

    jklinck Zealot (509) Jul 23, 2007 Washington

    For such a big beer you are going really light on the hops. If we double what your recipe is and make it a 5 gallon batch then you are only dry hopping with 2oz. That is a normal dry hopping rate for a Pale ale and you are going for a DIPA. While it isn't necessarily what you are going for Pliny uses 6oz of dry hops in a 5 gallon batch. I would keep your 1oz of Citra dry hops and add 1oz of Amarillo and 1oz of Simcoe.

    For dry hopping this is what I use
    Pale ale, 2-4oz
    IPA, 4-6oz
    DIPA, 6-8oz
    Yes this can get a bit pricey, but it hurts less if you buy yours hops in bulk.

    Because you are doing a half size batch one packet of dry yeast will be just fine.

    Keep the victory as it lends a nice toasty flavor to the beer. In fact I don't have problem with adding victory to most any beer.
     
  11. Longstaff

    Longstaff Initiate (0) May 23, 2002 Massachusetts

    Victory/Crystal malt - pick one or the other, then cut the addition in half.

    Hops - you are going to need a LOT more end of boil and dryhops than that for a good DIPA - like at least 4 times more late boil and 6 times more dryhops.
     
  12. tronester

    tronester Pooh-Bah (1,653) Nov 25, 2006 Oklahoma
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    Thanks for the responses. I have an additional oz of cascade that I can use at 10 minutes.

    I will be pitching onto the us-05 yeast cake from a previous batch so I should have plenty of yeast.
     
  13. Bonis

    Bonis Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2010 Ohio

    What other people are saying, you need more hops, especially if you are calling it "Death by Hops"... It better be real hoppy. For comparison, I brewed a 5 gallon DIPA in January with 14 oz hops total, 8 oz for aroma (4 oz at flameout and 4 oz dry hop). I also mistakenly (at the time) used a small handful of special B for color... After aging it for the last several months, it ended up winning in the barleywine category at a local homebrew contest (although it was still drinking like a very hoppy, very young barleywine). I say this because a little caramel flavor can go a long way. I actually think your grain bill is fine, but my next DIPA will only have 2-row and dextrose, so the assload of hops can shine (this is how I prefer my DIPAs).
     
  14. jmich24

    jmich24 Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2010 Michigan

    I have a Pliny the Elder DIPA Clone recipe I plan to brew later this summer that uses one pound of hops in a 5 gallon batch. It each his own though, personally I would add at least another 3-5 ounces in the last 10 min and dry hop. With only 2.7 Gallons, make it your way this time around and make adjustments when you make it for the 2nd time.
    Good Luck!
     
  15. tngolfer

    tngolfer Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Tennessee

    You will probably end up with a Higher than expected bitterness. You have your batch size and boil volume equal. Unless you are adding water to top off your boil volume should be higher as you will lose some to evaporation. More water will help your hop utilization. Recipe looks good.
     
  16. Jtc2811

    Jtc2811 Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2011 California

    The basic pieces of the recipe look solid. The only things I had are small tweaks to maximize hoppiness:

    Mash at a low temp, use more sugar in place of some of the two row, consider losing the victory malt and using C60 instead of 20 if you want the color, try to do as close to a full boil as possible, increase the hops at the end, and instead of boiling 10 min add them at flameout for maximum hop flavor and aroma. If you really load up on hops at flameout you don't need to worry about dry hopping as much.

    Also, underpitch the yeast. Not ridiculously low, but instead of 2 packs of yeast (appropriate for this high gravity) use 1.25 or 1.5. Low pitch rate means more hop particulate stays in suspension.
     
  17. tronester

    tronester Pooh-Bah (1,653) Nov 25, 2006 Oklahoma
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    I ended up brewing this today. The recipe has been changed a bit. I am now using 5.5 oz of hops for this recipe, which is about the equivalent of 10oz in a 5 gallon batch.

    Unfortunately I didnt get anywhere near my target gravity, my efficiency was a pathetic 59%, using the brew in a bag method. Since it will be around 7 percent abv, this should be super hoppy.
     
  18. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    That's why low efficiency is a nice mistake sometimes ..especially for a beer named "Death By Hops" : )
     
  19. tronester

    tronester Pooh-Bah (1,653) Nov 25, 2006 Oklahoma
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    I am drinking a glass of this beer right now. It is the hoppiest beer I've made, no doubt. It may even be the best beer I've made. Even though the malt bill came in really lean (due to the piss poor efficiency), the super fruitiness of the hops I used made it pretty rich tasting. It has the most overboard mango and grapefruit flavors I've had in a beer. I like it better than most commercial IPA's that I've had, as I was able to model it to my personal tastes. This is what homebrewing is all about!!!!
     
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