DIPA Recipe Critique

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  1. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
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    Hello everybody,

    I've decided to try my hand at a DIPA this weekend. I've brewed countless batches of Single IPAs and Pale Ales, but never felt the need to do a DIPA as most of my friends/families don't drink big ABV beers and I personally did not want an entire 5 gallon keg of DIPA to myself.

    I through this recipe together a few days ago. I originally wanted to use Galaxy but my LHBS was out, so I substituted Rakau hops which I have never used before. The AA was slightly higher for Galaxy than Rakau but that is fine since I already expected my recipe might lead to a bitter beer.

    5 Gallon
    All-Grain
    60 Minute boil
    Pellet Hops

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    10# 2-Row (wanted to use Golden Promise but the LHBS only had 5# left)
    4.5# Pilsner
    1.5# Flaked Wheat

    Mash at 153 for 60 minutes. Sparge for 10 minutes.
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    WYEAST 1272 (American Ale II)
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    1 oz Simcoe @ 60 minutes
    0.5 oz Rakau @ 10 minutes
    1 oz Simcoe @ 10 minutes
    0.5 oz Mosaic @ 10 minutes
    1 oz Rakau @ Flame Out (212 degrees for 10 minutes before dropping to whirlpool temp)
    1 oz Simcoe @ Flame Out (212 degrees for 10 minutes before dropping to whirlpool temp)
    1 oz Mosaic @ Flame Out (212 degrees for 10 minutes before dropping to whirlpool temp)
    1.5 oz Rakau Whirlpool @ 150 for 15 minutes
    1.5 oz Mosaic Whirlpool @ 150 for 15 minutes

    4 oz Mosaic Dry Hop for 4 days. I will add the dry hops to the bottom of the secondary before racking the beer while it is in late stages of fermentation.

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    Pitch yeast at 70F
    Ferment at 66F
    O.G. = Will fill this out in a bit; recipe is at home and it's the one thing I cannot remember off the top of my head.
    F.G. = Will fill this out in a bit; recipe is at home and it's the one thing I cannot remember off the top of my head.
    ABV = 7.9%


    Looking for critique on the mashing temp and time, as well as the hop bill/schedule. Mashing at 153 for 60 mins usually works perfectly fine for my single IPAs, but wondering if I will need to mash longer/at a higher temp to extract the necessary sugars.

    Thanks!
     
  2. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    only question I have for you is why the Pilsner malt? otherwise looks good.
     
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  3. frozyn

    frozyn Maven (1,435) May 16, 2015 New York
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    Do you lose much in terms of temperature across the mash time? Also, what kind of finish do you want on the beer? If you're looking for dryer, I might mash a little lower around 150-151, but that also depends on how much temp you lose. I generally start my mashes a little higher because I know my kettle will lose 3-4 degrees per hour.
     
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  4. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
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    I do not have a particular reason for this. I just wanted to try something different. I think this beer will be a little light in mouthfeel but I already bought the grains so what the hell?:grin: I tend to find a recipe I like then tweak it batch to batch. So if I think it is a little light, I'll ditch the pilsner for something else.

    I usually lose 2-3 degrees per hour of mashing. I use a converted cooler than is insulated very well. I'm not particularly interested in it being too dry. Maybe I should start at 155?
     
  5. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Couple questions:

    1) Why the complex time of additions? Why not just push all your hot-side additions back to whirlpool?

    2) You have 9 oz. of hops on your hot-side and 4 oz. on your cold side. Not that 13 oz. of hops won't work, but as a frame of reference, I use 22 - 24 oz. of hops in my DIPAs. Two 3 oz. dry hops and 16 - 18 oz. in the whirlpool.
     
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  6. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
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    1) I guess, even though I tend to drink more NE style IPAs now, I come from the thought-train of keeping hop additions balanced/aka layering hops. I like a good amount of bitter bite in my beers even if they are "juice" because I prefer my beer taste like beer. I think I'll address this by moving the 10 minute hop additions and the flameout additions to the whirlpool. Constructive criticism is one hell of a drug!

    2) Thanks for the advice. What ABV do your DIPAs usually reach? I think the predicted ABV of 7.9% is on the lower side of what is considered a DIPA and therefore didn't think I would need to overpower the hell out of the beer to balance out the alcohol burn.
     
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  7. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    As do I. Remember, though, that IBUs are only one component of bitterness.

    Right around 10%, but you wouldn't know it. They're not sweet and don't have any booziness.
     
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  8. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    just wondering becuase it prolly wont add a ton to the beer. I would boil 75 minutes, if not 90 minutes because of the DME in Pilsner. google it if you arent familiar. like others, I would also bring down the late addition hops a few ounces and add them back on the dry hop side.
     
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  9. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Yes, just some thoughts on what makes a IIPA a different animal:

    The big maltbill will tend to make the FG a little higher than normal so I think the Pilsner malt with it's high DP is not a bad choice although it will need some additional backbone without making it a caramelly mess...some Munich will help and little sugar instead of the flaked wheat (save that for a session IPA) will help keep the FG down to a respectable level. I would not use 1272 for a IIPA...something more attenuative is in order, imho. More hops.
    Good luck.
     
  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I think you meant DMS...but an hour uncovered boil should be plenty.
     
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  11. frozyn

    frozyn Maven (1,435) May 16, 2015 New York
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    I'd keep it at 153, as planned. If you were able to keep very consistent mash temp, I was going to suggest lowering it to 150, but with a few degrees drop you should be A-OK. I tend to prefer slightly dryer finishes to combat the maltiness of IIPAs, but I think your plan will hit a sweet spot between sweet and dry.
     
  12. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    ha yep. typed DME, meant DMS
     
  13. frozyn

    frozyn Maven (1,435) May 16, 2015 New York
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    Replying to myself as I missed the edit window @BoardwalkBock. With such light malt, I would think you could go a little higher and be good as well. You may want some unfermentables in there to keep a slight edge of sweetness. Don't quote me on that though -- hopefully someone more experienced chimes in.
     
  14. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Mash temperature really doesn't matter that much (between temperatures that most brewers use) and complete conversion is accomplished much more quickly than most people think.
     
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  15. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    That has not been my experience/problem with IIPAs...extra unfermentables/dextrins are usually not needed or appreciated, imho :slight_smile:
     
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  16. thebriansmaude

    thebriansmaude Crusader (472) Dec 16, 2016 Canada (AB)
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    +1 for a dry IIPA - I would get some dextrose in there and get your OG up and your FG down. Big ole IPA should be dry IMO. Dont be afraid to crank up the boil additions too - you are going for a west coast style more than NE style no? Last IIPA I did had three ounces of high alpha hops at 90 mins. If your getting into the 8-10% abv range you have licence to go a bit nuts.
     
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  17. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Indeed. I always have a couple lbs. of sugar in there to help things out.
     
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  18. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    I would add some dextrose. You'll want a lower FG for a double IPA as that much alcohol can make it come off as sweeter and will add body on it's own. At least I think so. it makes them more drinkable. That much alcohol and higher finishing gravities can make them really heavy. I believe Trillium adds dextrose to everything over 7.2% to "dry it out" for instance. Also that yeast could use a little help as it can attenuate a little less.
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Another vote for replacing some of the malt with sugar. Plain old table sugar will work here.

    Cheers!
     
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  20. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    If ya can leave out the Raku and sub in Columbus or Centennial. Get part of your IBU'S at FWH and the rest at Flameout/Whirlpool. Simple grain bill, 2 row, C 10, dextrose. Mash@ 150-152. Rest for 60 mins. Big pitch of 05. Reminds me of a classic here in Northern California.
     
    #20 NorCalKid, Mar 15, 2018
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