Dividing a batch into 5 different hop flavors.

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  1. LiquidLunch

    LiquidLunch Devotee (319) Nov 11, 2003 Massachusetts

    I have brewed a couple of mini mashes a year over the past 25 years and have always wanted to split a batch just to taste the difference between; two yeasts, or two hops, or lagar half and 'ale' the rest. Someone suggested I could use five 1 gallon jugs for the primary and have a different hop in each. Because I want to focus on the hops, I was planning to brew a British Bitters with a session level alcohol percentage. Not looking for hoppy beers, but just to be able to sample a Chinook Ale, next to a Simcoe Ale etc.

    Has anyone had any success doing this?

    1. Is there a neutral hop to use for the bittering stage?
    2. Would I need to divide it into 5 pots at the 45 minute Flavor mark, the 60 minute Aroma mark, or maybe (hopefully) just dry hop into the gallon jug?
    3. If dry hopping in the jug works, would I add the 'neutral' hop at the Aroma and Flavor marks?
    4. Would you use 1/5 the weight of the hops, or 1/5 of the IBU of each hop?
    5. What would be a good system to divide the wort evenly then topping off to the gallon mark.
    6. Anything else I'm missing?
    7. And of course, what hops would you choose?
    Thanks for any advice on the Hop Project.
     
  2. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
    Pooh-Bah

    1) Use Magnum or something like Columbus, or even Co2 hop extract to bitter.
    2) Depends on what you want to do. If you want single hop for flavor and aroma, then you are looking at 5 different boiling pots and batches. Otherwise, if just dry hopping, one batch, split, ferment and dry hop each jug.
    3) See Point 2.
    4) Use a program or some math and figure what you want for IBU's. You'd have to adjust accordingly for late hop additions if going that route, to keep the IBU's the same. Otherwise, use weight, and you'll be able to tell how some hops are more powerful in flavor and bittering than others. Your choice.
    5) Not sure what you are asking.. Extract batch? You mention doing mini mashes, and I"m assuming you do full boils?
    6) British Bitters recipe sounds odd to want to use a bunch of american hops to try out. I"d do a simple pale, or blonde recipe.
    7} What haven't you tried? American only? English? Aussie? German? I'd do Amarillo, Simcoe, Mosaic and Chinook and Centennial for American. Mandarina Bavaria and Herkules and some of the new German stuff sounds nice. Kohatu, Galaxy, Nelson Sauvin, Wakatu, are all Aussie/NZ hops that are fantastic. Skys the limit, research commercial beers, or even hop varieties and see what you think sounds good.
     
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  3. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
    Pooh-Bah

    In addition to the expert advice given by @FATC1TY , I offer these tidbits.

    The easiest and quickest way to sample hops is to try some Dry Hopped Bud Light. My brew club did this with good results, plus you can mix and match. Want to try Amarillo with Saaz? . . . no problem. This is the DH effect of hops but I find the flavor effects (late additions) follow the same pattern. Keep good notes and you have a master list of hop aromas. If your pysche just won't let BL past your lips then substitute Amstel Light which is equally bland. (I never swallowed, just spat out the BL)

    Practically speaking, dividing a 5 gallon batch late in the boil into 5 separate batches is a daunting task. Unless you have lots of equipment and helpers this will overwhelm a single brewer. You are now worried about timing, whirlpooling, chilling, multiplied by five. I've split off a single one gallon batch (late) and that was a handful. Remember, if the brew process suffers the test becomes iffy at best.

    I have fermented multiple one gallon batches (testing yeasts) and yes, you DH by just throwing the hops in the jug. But don't get hung up on IBUs. For DH'ing the alpha acid does not matter, it's the oils you are interested in. So something like Cascade is more powerful than Magnum in this phase.

    The big problem with one gallon jugs is the difficulty in racking. You're only going to fill to about 0.75 gallon to leave a decent headspace. You will have trub and lots of hop debris to rack from, plus your conventional auto-siphon is not made to go into the narrow neckspace of a 1 gallon'er (try it). I've used the thinner ss racking cane but it's still tricky . . . expect to get a max of 6 bottles per jug.

    If determined to have multiple fermentors I would use 3 gallon BB. That would give you a decent amount (2.XX gallon), and easy to rack. IMO, once you master hop aroma you will want to move on to testing yeast strains.
     
  4. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    I suggest that the simplest approach to this experiment might be to simply brew 5 separate all-extract batches (using light or possibly amber dme). Just measure out water, dme, and hops separately for each batch. A 20 minute boil would be sufficient to get some bittering and some flavor from a 20 minute addition, and then you could do 10 and 0 minute additions (or whatever strikes your fancy for the late additions). Each batch would probably take about 1 hour, with less overall time/batch possible if parallel processing) Take a packet of US-05 and split it 5 ways.
     
  5. LiquidLunch

    LiquidLunch Devotee (319) Nov 11, 2003 Massachusetts

    Fatc1ty, Thanks for the great advice on this one. When I started brewing, Extract was a can of hopped extract, Mini Mash was LME and a pound or two of specialty grains, and All Grain was a lot more than I wanted to get into. So I guess my mini mash is now called an extract. I usually steep some grains, then boil 2.5 gallons.

    Here is what I take from the above:

    Switch to a Pale Ale
    Magnum or Columbus for a neutral hop
    Use that hop for Bittering and Flavor
    Maybe skip the Aroma addition and just Dry hop the different hops.

    Measure it into the bottling bucket and divvy out from there.
    Yeast- Liquid yeast topped off with pre-boiled water to 20 oz (easier to divide by 5)


    Port Largo- I was thinking that bottling was going to be even more of a pain. I don't even have the jugs yet. Was planning either wine or apple juice if they still come in glass. I have 4 @ 5 gals and one at 6.5, but I assume they are TOO big to use with just under a gallon. I hadn't thought about the auto siphon tube. I also have a ss with a hepa filter. I imagine I'll be pretty good by jug 5. And I'll have to divide up the bottling syrup too.

    Utah- Thanks for the suggestion. My original goal was to brew one batch and see the difference hops would make. I usually brew from a kit.

    As to the hops, I'm sure it will be whatever my LHBS has to offer. I have done a Fuggle pale ale in the past. Had some commercial Simcoe pale ale too. I will pick anything I haven't used before.

    Thanks again for the great advice everyone. Looks like I will be making 5 gallons of Sangria over the holidays.
     
  6. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
    Pooh-Bah

    Sounds like you haven't really given it much thought on what you want to get from the different hops.

    I'd suggest this then:

    Brew your extract beer, with steeping grains. Normal 5 gallon batch. Use Columbus to bitter, add some simple cascade at 15 or 10 minutes, and then chill the beer down. A simple pale ale, or blonde recipe kit will be plenty good enough. Bitter it to around 30-35 IBU's.

    Pitch the yeast, and then split each gallon into your jugs.

    Dryhop the beers with an ounce of your selected hops once fermentation is winding down. Do it in the jugs. After a week, put them in the fridge and crash it down, to get most of the hop debris to drop clear.

    That will give you a pretty bland, but somewhat generic beer base that can be highlighted by the aroma, and flavor of the dry hops.


    Minimal work, other than pouring your wort into the jugs, and dry hopping 5 different jugs.
     
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  7. LiquidLunch

    LiquidLunch Devotee (319) Nov 11, 2003 Massachusetts

    I like splitting it after pitching the yeast. Cold crashing is new to me. So about a week in the jugs to ferment, add 1 oz hops and wait another week, then chill till the hops settle- X days, then bottle.

    Sounds like the process I am looking for. A lot less work! Thanks again.
     
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