DIY Stir Plate

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  1. milo_leon

    milo_leon Initiate (0) Aug 25, 2012 New York

    I recent made a stir plate! Thought I'd share with you guys considering how easy it was to make. All you need is a drill, a dremel, and some patience. All in all, it was about $33 in parts ($23 without magnets). I am making a big big quad in Jan, hence my 5L erlenmeyer flask.

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  2. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Looks good, but have you checked that you can get a good vortex with 5L? I should also think that a larger stir-bar would help in that regard, but have you checked that what you've built can rotate a larger stir-bar reliably?

    Again, looks great...just curious that you can do what you've planned.
     
  3. milo_leon

    milo_leon Initiate (0) Aug 25, 2012 New York

    I was concerned about using a 1" stir bar, but read that it should work just fine. I tested with 4L of water and my fan on high speed- I got a good vortex with lots of aeration. My magnets are fairly strong so my stir bar rarely spins off.
     
  4. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I get a good vortex in water too, but when you add yeast...especially after they've begun multiplying, I find that I have to turn up the speed a bit to keep a good vortex.

    Keep us updated on it, I hope everything works as planned.
     
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  5. milo_leon

    milo_leon Initiate (0) Aug 25, 2012 New York

    Will keep an eye on it. If 1" doesn't doesn't work with all the yeast, should I get 1.5" or 2"?
     
  6. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I don't really know. I bought a stir-plate with a similar design, and it explicitly states that it will not work with the bigger stir-bars, which is why I was curious about yours. I haven't opened it up...so it could be that your fan has a larger diameter...which could make the difference.
     
  7. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,819) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Looking at your first photo, you should easily be able to spin a 1.5" stir bar and probably 2". This based on the spacing between your two circular magnets glued to the fan blades. My results with a home made stir plate were exactly as JohnSnow posted: 2L of water gave a great vortex, but I limited out at 1.5L of yeast slurry. Those little yeast buggers are no push-overs and don't really like being spun around.

    I believe the concern is over the torque of the fan and how that is transmitted to the stir bar ... but I struggled mightily with dynamics ...

    Hope the quad goes well and the oxygen you add to it will also do wonders in the yeast starter.
     
  8. milo_leon

    milo_leon Initiate (0) Aug 25, 2012 New York

    Yeah I should be able to do 1.5" easy, that's basically the size of the washer that's on the fan. Is there anything I can do to improve the torque on the spinbar? I have a bunch of magnets left over, and I wonder if adding them to the stir plate increase the strength of the magnetic field?

    I am considering getting a diffusion stone or a drill-mounted aerating rod. I keep telling myself that shaking it for a good few minutes should suffice lol
     
  9. Marshall_ofmcap

    Marshall_ofmcap Initiate (0) Jul 17, 2013 Colorado

    I'm in the midst of making my own, what did you use for a speed regulator? and with the fear of hijacking, that looks like a 9 volt fan, will the 5v i have be big enough?
     
  10. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,085) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    you will need to match the potentiometer (aka speed control) with the fan. and you will want to provide the proper voltage, more or less, by using the right voltage regulator (an AC/DC convertor, aka wall wart, think about it...)
    there are a lot of websites that can tell you exactly which Radio Shack parts to use. otherwise, got to a RS store, explain what you want to do and hopefully there will be someone there who knows electronics. not very hard to do. some time with Google to match your fan with a pot and voltage regulator is needed if there is no pro help. then you just have to follow a simple wire diagram and solder.

    that is a really nice job on the stir plate btw.
    Cheers.
     
  11. milo_leon

    milo_leon Initiate (0) Aug 25, 2012 New York

    The fan I ordered came with it's own speed control and USB cord. I just supplied a simple usb charger from Apple. This is the fan I got: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00080G0BK/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
     
  12. Marshall_ofmcap

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  13. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,819) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Not really sure . . . my feeble knowledge of magnetism makes me think it is vital to keep the N/S orientation intact. Maybe stack the magnets but adding them side-by-side might confuse the stir bar. If anyone has experience . . . please chime in.

    I would not even think about brewing a "big, big, quad" without oxygen. Pumping air through a diffusion stone will leave the yeasties gasping. Oxygen in starters also gives them a jump-start.
    http://www.wyeastlab.com/hb_oxygenation.cfm

    Another big improvement with a stir plate is the time you save with starters. When everything clicks correctly you can have krausen rise and fall in much less than the normal 24 hours. It is common to complete the starter cycle in 12-18 hours . . . speeds up the whole brew process.
     
  14. mugs1789

    mugs1789 Zealot (611) Dec 6, 2005 Maryland

    That look very cool. Can you publish the parts list?
     
  15. milo_leon

    milo_leon Initiate (0) Aug 25, 2012 New York

    Sure!

    Magnets: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001KUURP2/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    Fan: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00080G0BK/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    Cigar Box: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001767QPS/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Misc: Apple USB charger, 1.5" washer, superglue, 2" bolts, and bunch of nuts to hold everything together and act as spacers. I also got 1/2" rubber pads to put on the bottom so I could create enough space for the fan to exhaust out through the holes and to reduce any vibrations from transferring to the counter. Lastly, I did put small bits of velcro on the apple charger so I can secure it to the box without having the cord rattling around when not in use.

    Fairly easy to build, hardest part was lining up the holes to drill and cut out for the fan. The magnets are insanely strong, so no need to glue them to the washer like I've seen on other homebrew forums, just superglue the washer to the fan (make sure it's centered!) and you're good to go.

    I posted this on Reddit and one user gave me another design consideration: mount the fan on the bottom of the cigar box and stack the magnets so it spins just under the top lid. That means you won't need to cut a hole in the top and the magnetic field should be strong enough to spin the stir bar through the top lid/bottom of erlenmeyer flask. This would probably be a simpler way to build and put together.
     
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  16. milo_leon

    milo_leon Initiate (0) Aug 25, 2012 New York

    Yeah, I read that shaking the primary fermenter for several minutes is basically equal to a diffusion stone, so I'll just save myself the $$ and get a slight workout in the process. How would a diffusion stone leave the yeasties gasping tho?
     
  17. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,819) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    The Wyeast link answers your question. You can call an ambulance right before pitching yeast . . . they always have oxygen on board. :wink:
     
  18. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    Grate looking SP, Nice work :slight_smile:
     
  19. milo_leon

    milo_leon Initiate (0) Aug 25, 2012 New York

    I must have misunderstood you. Thought gasping meant yeast would not get enough oxygen via a diffusion stone.
     
  20. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,819) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Thought gasping meant yeast would not get enough oxygen via a diffusion stone.

    That is correct. With air only (shaking or stone) your max saturation of oxygen in wort is 8ppm. Wyeast recommends at least 10ppm for most beers. For a big big quad you need higher levels and that is only possible with pure oxygen. Lack of proper oxygenation will lead to inadequate yeast growth and associated problems. You have a first class stir plate and 5L flask . . . don't stop there.
     
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