Looking to do a trade but trying to gather info first so I can come with the right offer. Does anyone know the bottle count for DL over the years? Also interested to know rankings of the following DL Darkness Abyss Marshal Zhukov And/or Bottle counts over the years for these as well if you know them. Yes Abyss has it posted on its profile I see but how many bottles in a barrel?
i would direct you to the beer trading help forum, but i think 30k DL? Abyss>Darkness> I would assume MZ (havent had it) >DL
3 bottle limit on regular Dark Lord, rumored to be around 8,000 tickets for DLD. Each of the last two or three years had a 24,000 bottle count. There used to be 6,000 tickets and a 4 bottle limit. Zhukov Darkness Dark Lord Abyss IMO
24,000 DL as stated above and all 4 of those stouts are very good in their own way. Neither of them are similar to the others.
Bottle count? Too many. Darkness>Zhukov>Abyss>>Dark Lord. Darkness, Zhukov and Abyss are all very enjoyable beers, though I prefer several of Michigan's shelf turd Imperial Stouts over each of them. I have never had a positive experience with Dark Lord, fresh or aged. In my opinion Dark Lord is a terrible beer.
Am I the only one that thinks barrel aged beers should be removed from that above list? There should be a stand-alone barrel-aged category.
dont be silly, thats like saying there should be a category for beer that utilizes fruit. waaaaaaaaitttt a minutttttte
From all the lists, really, unless time in barrel is inherent to the style. Then again, I take those lists and ratings with a huge grain of salt. Individual taste, unskilled reviewers, and tasting many small samples during a larger tasting make lots of reviews pretty much worthless. Factor in hype and group-think about certain beer styles, brands, or processes (e.g., barrel aged = gold!), and the reliability of those reviews goes down to almost 0. Not that "professional" reviews are much better, since the same criticisms are often levelled at wine critics.
I would argue that the list is pointless either way. These scores are driven largely by hype, trade value boosting/negation, and expectations based on prior scores*. *This is the only reasoning I can come up with as to why Headdy Topper is the best beer on Earth (so sayeth BA), let alone best DIPA.
Completely disagree. Ingredients such as fruit, coffee, vanilla, spice, peppers can impact the flavor and differentiate the beer, when compared to a standard stout, as much as a barrel can. To consider the addition of a category based on one of these you have to consider additional categories for all of these. We already have too many style, we do not need more. Barrel aging is nothing more than a variation of an established style.
your right and these lists are nonsense. Regular dark lord is the worst beer ever, but after a year in barrel its the best according to fellow BA hype monsters. It just seemed weird to pull up a list of the best russian imperial stouts and 70% were barrel aged in some spirit. And to throw more fuel on the uselessness of these lists....how can people rate one beer when some are drinking 5 year old versions vs. fresh versions. 5 year old dark lord is vastly different then fresh but all the ratings roll into the same thing. And dont get me started on people drinking 6 month old IPA's.
This thread has some information relevant to your interests: http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/bottle-count-abyss-dl-darkness-zhukov.104858/
I'm not sure why any of this really matters, ultimately. If you are trying to trade for one of the 4 beers listed above, you know that they are all beers that aren't incredibly easy to get. so your offer should be trading similar beers for one of those. If you put an offer out there, and no one responds, you learn that you need to include more. Sometimes if you wait 2 weeks and post the offer again, the right person might read it and decide to take you up on it. Put together a list of things you would be willing to trade to land one of those 4 and let people decide if they want to give it up for 1 or a combo of what you have to offer maybe? Just trying to help. I think people sometimes go overboard on trying to find the "right value". Start with what you are willing to trade and work from there....good luck!!
Also the regional forum isn't exactly the place to go looking for trade values or the like..... theres a forum for that - http://beeradvocate.com/community/forums/beer-trading-general-help.27/
