Do Campden tablets bring Cl levels down to zero?

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  1. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    Just wondering if they reduce or eliminate Cl.
    Up here, we use it to get rid of chlorine and plant-like flavours our water can impart. I'm looking at doing some water adjustments and i don't want to add calcium chloride and bump our Cl levels up too high.
    thoughts?
    i should add that i have a dilemma as to how to change my water profile. I add calcium chloride and then add campden and the chloride disappears, yes?
     
  2. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

  3. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington


    adding campden to remove chlorine will up your chloride levels as the chlorine is reduced (as in redox rx) by the Na you get chloride
     
  4. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    hrm...so wondering how to adjust my water chemistry if i also want to increase my Na levels.
     
  5. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    residual chlorine in drinking water is supposed to be <4ppm or mg/L, so at most you'd be adding that much Cl- and Na/K (depending on type of campden) depends on how many tablets you add

    each tablet is generally 0.44g of K-meta of which ~17.6% is K, so for each tab your getting ~75mg of K (assuming the tab is only k-meta and no binding agent/filler/etc)

    for Na-meta (older type) its 12% Na per tab, = 53mg Na (again assuming its all Na-meta and its weights 0.44g)

    BTW 1tab/gal thata is always said to be the rule for adding to must/wort to knock down yeast and kill bacteria is quite excessive and you can easily get away with 1/3 as much

    for your use, they say 1tab treats 20gal, now Ive never run the numbers myself to see if this is true, but assuming it is adding either 75mg K or 53mg Na to 20gal of H20 is like pissing in the ocean as far as water adjustments for beer flavor
     
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  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Chloride (the ion) and Chlorine (the neutral atom) are different. Campden will get rid of the chlorine. It will not reduce your chloride.

    To increase Na, add table salt or baking soda. Table salt will also increase chlorides and will not affect pH. Baking soda will not increase chlorides, but will increase pH.
     
  7. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    Interesting.
    So if Toronto tap water's lower on calcium but higher in sodium and in chloride than Westy or Chimay, the only way to adjust the water profile is by mixing or exclusively using distilled water.
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yes. If you want to reduce Sodium or Chlorides, you have three choices...
    - Mix with distilled/RO water
    - Build from purchased RO/Distilled
    - RO filter your own tap water and build from there.

    If you know your tap water's profile (or even if you don't, for options two and three), there are spreadsheets that make it easy. Here's mine, which contains utahbeerdude's water models...
    BrewCipher
     
  9. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Hmmmm. Seems I've been using too much campden. Luckily I guess it wasn't tooooooo much, or my yeast wouldn't work at all. From now on, 1/2 a tablet / 10 gals H2O sounds like what I should have been using.
     
  10. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Not sure if there is confusion on this point, but plant-like flavors and chlorine are different animals. Plant-like flavors are sometimes described with the term chlorophyll, which is of course the green pigment in plants. I'm not sure if chlorophyll is really what people are tasting when they say they get plant flavor, but it could be. However chlorophyll has no chlorine in it. Both terms derive from a Greek word meaning green (green pigment, green gas: no chemical relationship, just coincidence). I've never heard of brewing water characterized as having plant-like flavor. Are you drawing water directly from an over-enriched lake that is full of algae?
     
  11. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)


    oh, i know the difference between chlorophyll and chlorine. trust me. :slight_smile:
    going by what other homebrewers have told me, there are certain parts of toronto where this is a problem. cannot remember exactly why or what's causing it, but campden tablets eliminate the issue.

    i wasn't saying that chlorine tastes like plants.
     
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