Do I deserve negative feedback as a bad trader?

no the fact that you a) ran an auction b) backed out of a trade c) admitted you have done this before d) called me out in this thread to try to negate my feedback are all reason why people need to know who they are trading with (or not) . The fact remains, you agrees to a trade and backed out (2nd time) in order to share the beer with friends, people need to know this about you.

 

I'd would not trade with anyone who would leave another trader a negative feedback if the bottle broke by accident, stolen/robbed, or if personal issues came up (hospitalized, financial burden, death in family, etc.). You mentioned "pre-trade", that's also forgivable if the trader couldn't come up with the bottle (known risk of any pre-trade), unless the person found a better offer after the beer dropped and value spiked. The key is whether or not the circumstance is within your control.

I think for the most part, most traders are very understanding when circumstances beyond control happens.

 

Did you agree to the trade? Did you back out? A person is only as good as their word. I wouldn't want to trade with you, who knows what else you wouldn't follow through with.

 

If the situation is something you have control of, there is no excuse. If it's out of your control, such as a broken bottle that couldn't be replaced, or falling through on a pre-trade(in this case this possibility is accepted), I can understand. I don't understand why any of that matters though, as that's not what happened here. You gave your word on a trade. You backed out a day later. This should show everyone everything they need to know.

 

These are not the only items to be considered when evaluating whether or not negative feedback is warranted. Someone not keeping up their end of a deal is important in deciding that. It's not as if he created a "bad trader" thread for you, you did that yourself.

 

He was out of time, haven't spent that to deal with you then and now. He is now also out of trust for you as a trader, this latter part is more important. You can get more beer, money, and other opportunities, but not time and trust.

Honestly, the best thing you can do is to stop responding. Both sides are heard, you know what you did. Your feedback won't be changed. You are not going to change people's perception of you. Own it, learn from it, and show that you are committed to never backing out of trades that you have full control over. You haven't done much to convince anyone here that you won't back out of the next trade. "I fucked up, I'm sorry, I learned my lesson and won't do it again" would have done much more to get you back on track than anything you've said.

 

Why do people always give advice in these threads as if their opinion speaks for most people? I have more respect for the OP after reading this than the negative reviewer. Maybe more think like me. Maybe they don't. It doesn't matter. But don't pretend to speak for anyone but yourself. I'd have given the OP neutral feedback at worst. I'd also never trade with the negative reviewer because I don't respect his review or responses in this thread. In the end, I want my trading partner to be happy with the trade. That's the best part. Can't imagine forcing someone to send me their beer if they no longer were interested.

 

Whether or not you are a bad trader is for each trader to decide for themselves. No you didn't steal beer but if you did then you would have been banned for that, so this isn't the same outcome.

On this particular trade however you can only be ranked Good, Okay or Bad. Bad seems to fit the bill in your trade partners (and many others) opinion. Deal with it.

 

A couple points that drive me crazy in these threads because this is the second one like this in the past few weeks.

Some people seem to think that the only way you should be given negative feedback is if you completely rip someone off which is not the case. That's being a thief and will get your ass banned here, not just negative feedback. The reason there is a comment section in the feedback is to briefly explain why you left someone positive OR negative feedback. If we're in trade talks and it seems like we're about to lock in and you suddenly back out, it sucks and I probably will not trade with you again but there's nothing technically wrong with it. If you hit accept on a trade, you need to fulfill your end of the deal, period. If the other trader is nice enough to cancel the trade, that's fine, but that's his decision to make, not yours. Just because someone in the past was fine with that doesn't mean this trader has to be. If a store had a no return policy and decides to refund you, that's great but it doesn't mean every store needs to go against their policy for you. If he decides to leave you negative feedback, that's his choice and rightfully so.

You mention your negative feedback being the same as someone who completely rips someone off which isn't true. If you rip someone off, your account is banned. Unfortunately, there are only three feedback options. If I trade with someone and he overnights my package and sends a vanilla rye as an extra, he gets positive feedback. If you're slow and ship 2 days later tha you told me and you don't include any extras, you also get positive feedback. That's the way it works with only 3 options. I would say the only way you would get Neutral feedback would be if you decided to go through with the trade. it's neutral because the trade worked out in the end but your partner surely would never trade with you again.

It seem to me like you knew your trade partner was pissed and when you said he can make a bad trader thread, you decided to beat him to the punch and tell your side of the story in the OP because you knew a second thread wouldn't be allowed on the same issue.

You start a thread asking if you deserve negative feedback and then you combat every person who has basically said that you're a bad trader. You didn't want to hear other people's opinions, you wanted people to echo your opinion and side with you. You even said at one point "Sometimes people have a change of mind. I'm not saying it's right, but people have backed out with me in the past". You just admitted that it's not right, so why would you be shocked at negative feedback.

 

People like to think their opinion is the slam dunk end all be all, as evidenced in this thread. Couldn't be further from the truth.

 

Who cares if someone backs out of a trade? It's beer. For 27 hours someone thought they were going to get a beer that they then found out that they wouldn't. Ive had the exact thing happen to me- and didn't give a shit. If the dude wants to share it with a friend who wanted to try it- let that happen. Honestly- isn't that what beer is all about? Sharing with friends? This was one day where I'm sure nobody bought any beer for the trade or did anything with it at all. If it's 2 weeks after the trade is accepted, then maybe it's a big deal. But this isn't.

 

It's ante.

 

If I was in you situation, I would have left it up to the original trader as to what he wanted to do. if he was understanding and said that I could do the IP trade in stead, kudos to him for being an awesome guy. But if he didn't say that, I'd go through with the trade. After the trade requests are accepted, I look at it as no turning back unless mutually agreed upon.

I don't think it warranted negative feedback though, perhaps neutral.

 

Where in the thread? Pretty much anywhere that someone has replied and not agree with you. If you were "genuinely curious as to what people's thoughts were on differing scenarios where a trade was agreed upon but not completed" you wouldn't have disagreed with everyone who doesn't share your opinion, you would have sat back and read the responses so you could understand how other people feel.

 

As said before in previous threads, " you are only as good as your last trade."
If you even had the slightest bit of doubt you should not have accepted/sent the trade request. You can try to sway people to your type of thinking but the masses will not follow. Did you steal beer? No. Did you agree to a trade and for whatever reason back out of? Yes. The only person who can decide on how everything was played out is @DockHops , and if he felt it was a bad trade so be it. You can always put an explanation in your info page to explain the situation or link this link, and people can decide for themselves. I will say sitting here defending your decision is not helping your case.