Do not reuse PET bottles

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  1. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    i learned this the hard way, im so pissed right now and i just wanna tell my story to those new homebrewers like me so you dont do the same mistake i did.
    This is my second batch, the first batch i used pet bottles that came with my brewdemon kit, they worked for the first time but for the 2nd batch i tried to reuse the same bottles, oh man, what a mistake, most of the beer were in this pet bottles and the rest were in glass bottles i saved to make that switch to the glass bottles cos to be honest we enjoy more when the beer is in a glass bottle. Well the beer in the glass bottles turn out just great, good carbonation and flavor, the pet bottles not so much, not carbonated, almost flat beer and the taste was not the same, it was the same beer but the result was not the same.

    If you batch prime with the right amount or sugar cane, you wont have any troubles, just have to make the proper calculations, i was worried about that and thats the reason i reuse the pet bottles, next time i wont use it, this beer turn put great, but the bottling system i was using ruined most of it.

    Btw this grolsch bottles, the ones with the cap attatch to the bottle neck are awesome, those you can reuse and the beer will be just fine.
     
  2. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Did you carb your PET bottles individually, or did you add your priming sugar to a bottling bucket?

    My finger pointing would start with the amount of headspace left in a PET bottle vs that of your glassware. I'd also point a finger at the bottle threads not sealing tightly. Did you do anything in between the first and second batch, like run the bottles through a dishwasher?

    One thing that you can do to check the threads would be to add another dose of priming sugar directly into your PET bottle. a scant 1/4 tsp per 12 oz of beer should do the trick. Seal it up tightly and put a deflated balloon over the top of the lid. If the pressure is leaking out, you'll see the balloon start to fill, or next to the bottle on the floor.
     
  3. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    I add the sugar to my bottling bucket then filled the bottles.
    I closed the bottles tightly but i think those are single use, the headspace was the same as the last time and they were well carbonated the first time, this time was almost flat beer in some bottles.

    If it was a priming issue the same thing would happen to the glass bottles that i use but those were just fine.

    I dont think ill use plastic again, i feel like this ruin my 7 weeks effort to get a good beer.
     
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  4. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Do you stir your sugar solution a few times during the bottling process? That heavy sugar solution wants to try to settle out of the beer in your bottling bucket and will be hugging the bottom, so a few gentle stirs (I use an upward motion from bottom to top) will keep it mixed into the beer. If you bottled all of your glass ones as a group and then all of the PET ones as a group, and if you didn't mix the sugar solution in very well, the last bottles will be under-carbed because most of the sugar went into the first bottles. The bottles that were filled in the middle of the bottling session should be just about right for carbonation, and those filled first would have too much sugar and become gushers. So beware when you open these bottles and be close to a sink with a glass close by.
     
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  5. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    The brewdemon made you do it : )

    Beware any kit named after a devil and having screw caps : )
     
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  6. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Really? yikes. I just bottled a 5 gallon batch of stout 2 weeks ago (previously I've only bottled 1 gal batches), and I relied on the flow of siphoning beer to stir everything. I put the cooled sugar water in the bottom of the bucket, and siphoned to the side of the bucket to kind of whirlpool it. Last I checked, there was sediment at the bottom of the bottles. They were in secondary for 2 week prior to bottle, so I think it's a good sign. And no bottle bombs yet.
     
  7. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Depends a lot on how the end of the siphon tubing is facing in the bottling bucket. Sometimes you can get a good mix with no stirring, but I wouldn't count on it. Keep your bottles in a safe place prior to refrigeration just in case.
     
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  8. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Yep, I've been keeping them in a large Tupperware container with a latching lid.
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I once decided to try bottling without stirring (this was over 10 years ago). My theory at the time was the siphoning action should be sufficient to properly mix the sugar solution with the beer. That batch had inconsistent carbonation.

    That was the one and only time I did not gently stir the beer & sugar solution in my bottling bucket.

    Cheers!
     
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  10. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

  11. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    FWIW I used PET bottles once which were previously filled with seltzer water. My use, which was each bottle's 2nd, seemed to go without issue even without replacing the caps. YMMV
     
  12. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    @ $22 though for 16 ~half litre bottles, I think I might forego and save towards a kegging system
     
  13. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I mostly keg, but still use glass and plastic bottles occasionally. The plastic bottles get used for potential bottle bomb beers (wild ales) that get aged several months in the bottle.
     
  14. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Another good argument for kegs with a handy pressure relief on the lid (if you can afford to tie up a keg).
     
  15. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    not everyone has kegs (or enough kegs). Some competitions require beer to be served in bottles.
     
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  16. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    No it isn't. Aging at room temperature and gradually sampling the beer over several months isn't practical with a keg. It is with bottles, though. :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  17. mrjimcat

    mrjimcat Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2002 New York

    While I have never had a bomb in 5000 bottles, I always mark the first few bottles filled and open those first as QC.
     
  18. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Why's that?
     
  19. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    So keg and force carb and then fill 3 bottles instead of 50
     
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  20. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Because of logistics management. The most practical formula for this situation is to bottle. No further explanation will be provided. This is something you should worry about if you ever make a wild beer. :wink:
     
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