Do You Have A Single-Hop Strategy?

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  1. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    How would you distribute 5 oz of El Dorado pellet hops in a 1.060ish pale/IPA?
    It's not quite a smash, as there is ~4% light crystal malt in the grist, with the rest US pale ale malt. Fermented with US-05. Never used this hop.
     
  2. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Nearly did this myself...though my APA will be 3 oz El Dorado and 1 oz Mosaic. Anyway, I wanted IBU's in the upper 30's. So, my schedule is as such:

    .65 oz @55
    .35 oz @ 5

    Hop Stand (30 min)
    1 oz @ 180°
    1 oz @ 180° (mosaic)

    1 oz Dry hop.

    Just brewed this 9 days ago, so I have a bit of time yet.

    Good Luck!
     
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  3. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    FWH, 5 mins and at knock out for a looooooooooooooong hop stand. Usually dry hop with an ounce or two. BU/GU ratio 1:1.
     
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  4. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    I never used El Dorado either, but it looks like they are a high alpha hop.

    I would adjust my mash efficiency down 5% and use enough grain to hit 1.060.
    Then I would do a 30 minute boil adding 2 equal additions at 10 and 5 minutes to get your desired IBU. Probably 1.5-2oz each. Dryhop with what is left.

    I have been doing this for IPAs and session IPAs and such. Works well.
     
  5. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Peter,

    Below is what I would suggest (based upon my hopping schedule for my all Centennial Hopped IPA):

    · At beginning of boil: 1-2 ounces

    · With 15 minutes of boil remaining: 1 ounce

    · End of boil: 1 ounce

    · Dry Hop: 1-2 ounces

    How much you use at beginning of boil is dependent on your target for IBUs.

    The description that Stan Hieronymus provides in his book for El Dorado Hops is very interesting: “Intense aromas: stone fruits (pears, cherries), candy (Lifesavers).”

    Please report back what you decide to do and how your beer turned out.

    Cheers!

    Jack
     
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  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Why this?
     
  8. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    To account for decreased sparge water volume. You system may be different, but if I am shooting for IPA strength wort I use 70% instead of 75% mash efficiency.

    I am actually about to mash in for a session IPA, but since I am only shooting for OG40 (with another 0.5#cane sugar to hit OG45) I still use 75% to hit my numbers. I am guessing it is a solubility thing.

    Also, I am using Chinook at 14.5% AA. 2oz at 10min, 2oz at 5min for 58IBU.

    Edit: decreased sparge because of decreased boil time to 30min.
     
  9. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    FWIW, I am using this kit, http://www.midwestsupplies.com/gold-dust-ipa-all-grain-kit.html, but using more water to make it a ~6 gallon batch instead of 5 to bring the gravity from ~1.07 to ~1.06. If you mouseover the pictured box, you can read the ingredients. I am toying with the idea of picking up some other hop, maybe Warrior, to use for bittering. This would let me focus the alleged fruit bomb El Dorado hops on flavor and aroma and, to a degree, compensate for their dilution. Still thinking about it. Package should arrive today but I don't think I'll be brewing it for at least a couple weeks.

    After my original post, I recalled I saw a version of the Vinnie approach somewhere recently, I think Zymurgy and the Hops book.
     
  10. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Yes, it has appeared in other places. This one was from Stan H's talk, and I knew how to find it.
     
  11. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    If you're shooting for IPA like hops flavor, and you get another hop to bitter with at 60 minutes, I would add

    0.5 of your eldorado oz at 15
    1 oz at 10
    1 oz at 5
    1.5 oz at 0
    1 oz dry hop

    (or something similar, with most of your eldorado added late)

    adjust your bittering addition at 60 according to your desired IBUs. This schedule will give you a pretty IPA like hoppy-ness.
     
  12. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Why not toss in 4oz @ KO, WP for 40 mins, chill, ferment, DH w/ 1oz? IBUs on a 1.060 wort should easily be in the 30-40 range with that WP, nice and smooth bitterness.
     
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  13. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Here's where I am now:

    Gold Dust Adjust IPA
    5.75 gallons, OG estimate:1.062; IBU Estimate: 60

    Grain
    13# pale ale malt (Briess)
    8 oz Cara malt (English, maltster uncertain)
    Single Infusion Mash at 152-154F

    Hops
    1 oz Horizon 90 min
    0.5 oz El Dorado 30 min
    0.5 oz El Dorado 10 min
    2 oz El Dorado 0 min
    2 oz El Dorado Dry hop

    US-05 Ferment at 62 F

    BTW, What's with Midwest not printing % Alpha Acids on the label? I asked, and they gave me a typical range of 10-15% for El Dorado. It'd be nice to plug something more exact in Beersmith, but then again, would it be anymore accurate?
     
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  14. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota


    I got mine from Midwest, and the label states 15.3%.
     
  15. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    You didn't also order Styrian Goldings and German Tettnang, by any chance? Those also lacked %AA quotes. I probably shouldn't get my undies in a bundle over it though. I mean, how much sampling has been done to put some confidence behind that 15.3%? I imagine quite a lot of variability exists within a harvest.
     
  16. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I think even if you got a range of +/- 2% of the actual AA% with each hop type, (which would be a big range), you could still make good beer. You know tettnanger and willamette are going to be pretty low AA, and fairly low on power-punching hop flavor (unlike citra, for example), so you shouldn't be afraid to add a typical amount of them, even if unsure the true AA%. And you know magnum is going to be pretty strong on the bitter, same with warrior, and you know citra packs a big punch flavor wise, so adjust accordingly.

    You can still brew fine beers with considerable uncertainty. I would err on the side of style, since you're not really sure the strength of your hops. For a wheat beer, go light. For an IPA, don't fear the moar. Homebrew ain't an exact science anyway. :rolling_eyes:
     
  17. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota


    No, sorry, just the Mosaic and El Dorado.
     
  18. drewbeerme

    drewbeerme Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2007 Illinois

    With only 5oz I would make a smaller beer ~1.040-1.045, US05, simple malt base (pale ale malt, touch of victory, and flaked barley), use FWH addition to about 30-35ibus, 1oz 5, 1oz KO, the rest for dry hop. That'll teach you what the hop can do.
     
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