Do you like Trillium's new fermentation profile?

Visited Boston this weekend after having moved away in late 2017 and I would say the biggest difference I noticed was the nose--especially with DDH Melcher. Overall just thought the hop aromas were really muddled. Having said that, I had Mosaic FPPA on tap at the brewery and thought it was still top notch.

 

You're certain neither have ever used that yeast strain? I know Bissell has changed their house strain multiple times and were at one point using London 3. Now I believe they're using the Anchor Ale strain. I tasted the nutty note in Tree House Present Moment in 2015 just to give you an idea of how long ago it was. I'm just saying the only beers that I've personally tasted that peanut oil finish on used London 3.

 

Sometimes I miss the hop burn from the old stuff a little. I used to refer to it more as a green or raw taste than a burn. I viewed it more in the same vein as the acidity from a sour rather than a defect. I didn't want every beer to be that way, for sure, but for me it was an evolution of taste over time in the can.

I didn't vote as I don't have nearly enough samples of the new profile to contrast. I also don't have the best memory for new versus old and my palate has really shifted over time. Also, I've had a bunch of Trillium recently, but a lot of what I have had wasn't broadly produced 'in the old days'. I liked the Dialed Up a bunch (plus when your spouse limits you to two beers, this is a good choice). I have been tepid on a bunch of the Lighthouse series, but certainly haven't had all.

Has anyone tried the new version of Oenobier? I thought the last one they did (I think it was a collab) was quite good. Also, are Trilll's Pilsners legit or rushed?

 

I purchased one can of the new pilsner yesterday because JC posted how proud he was of his team for nailing the Noble hop profile, spunding to carb etc. The beer is serviceable to some degree but not something I would recommend or purchase again.

 

I'm also a big fan of the style, and this really isn't good--and neither was Perm 72 for that matter.

They've been putting out lagers more and more recently (starting with that Notch collab last year, which I thought was good) but left to their own devices, Trill just doesn't get it. Same problem in all of them. There's no body, too much effervescence, and no malt flavor or aroma--their pils almost drinks like a dry-hopped Nite Lite.

They should study what Fox Farm is doing (esp. their Czech pils Quiet Life--or HF obviously) if they want to up their lager game...

I'm wondering if they are just cutting corners, as we know they are prone to do, and doing a quick infusion mash on these, to free up their kettle for the next batch ???

 

I'll assume there's no decoction mashing that we know of?

 

The thought of them decocting a mash makes me chuckle

 

I was a big fan of Gather and apparently they haven't been using their horizontal lagering tanks until the latest batch of the Cabin that came out this week.

 

I didn’t think so either but didn’t want to assume. I too don’t think you need a decoction setup to do a good lager, but the breweries that make the extra effort in process, I like to pay extra attention to.

 

Two Roads and Von Trapp are the first two large New England contract brew houses that come to mind with a decoction brewhouse. I know this because that's where Notch has had beers made in the past.

 

Pretty much my take as well. Had it on draft at Deep Ellum (a place with a great selection of that style) and I thought it wasn't even close. Much harder than IPAs though, so maybe they'll grow into it.

 

Which is basically The Standard, right?

 

First in what way? I thought they started releasing lagers in the Permutation series 2 summers ago.

I haven't had one yet that was remarkable. Recently tried the pale lager at the restaurant and thought about swinging back to try the pils but just couldn't find the motivation.

 

Foam stability was non-existent on the most recent cans. Immediately disappeared to what looked like a glass of dehydrated urine