Do you rack single IPA to a secondary?

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  1. willkevi

    willkevi Initiate (0) Dec 21, 2014 California

    I'm on batch 4 and have done a pale, ipa, iipa and now another ipa. I did not rack to secondary my first ipa but did on the double. They were all drinkable batches but not amazing. I want this one to be amazing so was debating to rack or not to rack. I've heard pros and cons for both and sorry if there is already a thread on this I tried search and didn't find. Thanks and cheers!
     
  2. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    No. The risk outweighs the benefits.
     
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  3. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Racking to a secondary sometimes has a purpose, but probably not in this instance.

    For batch 4, using a secondary will probably have zero effect on making the beer amazing. A secondary won't make batch 100 amazing either. A secondary won't solve your mediocre beer problems. Not ever. Though it could definitely make it worse.

    Skip the secondary. Focus on the other 25 things to make your beer amazing.
    Cheers.
     
  4. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Oxygen is the death of IPAs. The use of a secondary only increases the potential for oxygen uptake by your beer. Eschew the secondary. Cheers!
     
  5. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    What they said

    A little more detail for you below.
    You will find that most people here do not do a secondary for the majority of their beers. It is just not worth it from a time point of view or more importantly from a risk point of view. For an APA/IPA, I don't think anyone here would suggest a secondary because you are likely to add excess oxygen to your beer and oxidation sucks for hops.

    A good rule of thumb is never do a secondary. Or only do one if you are really sure that your beer needs it. If you have to ask, it probably doesn't need a secondary :slight_smile:
     
  6. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    IMO, no, don't secondary.
    Most of us here (myself included) won't do for anything other than bulk aging on wood, fruit or for souring.
    Can you provide details on your other brews on exactly why they weren't amazing, and your recipes and procedures? We may be able to help narrow down what is going on.
    Also, keep in mind that very few people brew amazing beer their first time out. It takes a lot of time, practice and beer to get comfortable with the big picture that you can sweat the small details that make the difference between a B beer and an A beer.
     
  7. ChuckHardslab

    ChuckHardslab Maven (1,251) Jan 25, 2012 Texas

    I don't secondary as a rule, but I usually will if I am dry hopping. I've tried dry hopping in the primary but feel I've had better results in the secondary. As always, YMMV.
     
  8. willkevi

    willkevi Initiate (0) Dec 21, 2014 California

    I will be dry hopping with fresh citra whole hops and I've read that dry hopping is best done with hops in secondary then rack from primary. I have quite a bit of trub...but it sounds like consensus is risk of oxygen outweighs off flavors from sitting on the trub?
     
  9. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Sitting on the trub is not a huge deal over the time frame of a dry hop. You don't want your beer on trub for months after the fermentation as the yeast may begin to autolyze. For weeks, it's not a big deal.
     
  10. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Another option that no one talks about is to dry hop in the bottling bucket with hop bags. You have to transfer to the bottling bucket anyway. This way, you can avoid a second transfer.
     
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  11. willkevi

    willkevi Initiate (0) Dec 21, 2014 California

    Thanks everyone for the helpful feedback! I've decided to skip the secondary this time around.

    I'm very diligent with sanitation so I don't think my previous underwhelming beer was because of any infection. I did not have a wort chiller until this batch and previously was using the swimming pool to cool off the wort after flame out. I would get impatient and pitch the yeast after about an hour, never thinking to test the temperature, so I am assuming my batches had a weird quality because I didn't let the wort cool to desired temperature. I only recently read that pitching temp is one of the most important steps because the initial first few hours is the most critical as far as all the reactions going on thereafter. Wish I had known that earlier! I now have a wort chiller and made sure it was 65 degrees before pitching the yeast. I certainly had a massive bubble going for a couple days.
     
  12. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    If you did this, would you extend the time in the bucket to increase contact time? When I bottled, I never kept beer in the bottling bucket for any length of time, just long enough for the priming sugar to disperse with a few gentle swirls.
     
  13. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Yes. Dry hop in the bucket for 5 days, then bottle. It works.
     
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  14. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Transferring to something with that headspace and giving it 5 days to equilibrate with the O2 contained there in concerns me, but it sounds like you aren't having a problem?
     
  15. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    It's not something I currently do. All my dry hopping happens in the keg now. Back when I dry hopped in the bucket, the beer had good, but not great aroma for 1-2 months.

    CO2 from the beer gets released during dry hopping. The bucket always had positive pressure. Sometimes I would add an ounce of sugar to get a mini fermentation during the dry hop. Sometimes I would infuse CO2 into the head space. Sometimes, I wouldn't add anything and just let it dry hop. I'm not saying the beer picks up no O2, but I was usually satisfied with the results and less satisfied with dry hopping in the primary.
     
  16. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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  17. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Good point. I imagine this helps.
     
  18. MyThoughtsExactly

    MyThoughtsExactly Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2015 Virginia

    I'm with everyone else. Don't do it. There are likely other things you could do to improve your beer which are significantly less risky.
     
  19. willkevi

    willkevi Initiate (0) Dec 21, 2014 California

    Thanks again to everyone for the helpful feedback. I just bottled the batch yesterday and was very pleased with the taste and smell so far. If bottle conditioning doesn't change the flavor too much I think I finally have a keeper! I did not rack to secondary and I think my main problem previously was not waiting for the wort to cool enough before pitching. Rookie mistake! I'm not the best chemist/scientist with my brewing thus far but learn something new each time. Fun new hobby!
     
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  20. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I used to follow a schedule similar to the following for my IPA's:
    day 1 pitch yeast
    day 14-21 rack to secondary and dry hop
    allow dry hops to sit for desired time
    day 21-28 bottle.
    day 35-42 drink a bottle.

    Now I use the following schedule for my IPA's
    day 1 pitch yeast
    day 7 first dry hop addition
    day 9 second dry hop addition
    day 14 bottle.

    I find my ipas have way more aroma and flavor this way.
     
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