Do you think most BAs rate beers too high?

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by krl2112, Mar 14, 2013.

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  1. krl2112

    krl2112 Pooh-Bah (1,876) Nov 10, 2012 Illinois
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    So I have rated over 100 brews myself and what I noticed is that most people rate consistently high. Now while everyone has their own opinion and palette, I just find it hard to believe that all of these brews are a 90 or above. For example, when I am tasting a new brew I will always start at a 2.5 which would be considered average or in the middle for the BA site scale. Then I try and compare it to some similar brews that I know are highly rated. Say I am trying a BA stout. I will try and compare it to BCBS, CW BBS, KBS, etc. Then I will either rate above or below a 2.5 and closer or further away from the ones I am comparing to, etc. Is this similar to how you rate brews on here?
     
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  2. JM03

    JM03 Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2010 Ohio

    The rarer it tastes, the higher the score.
     
  3. danwho

    danwho Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2010 California

    Yes.
     
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  4. Sarlacc83

    Sarlacc83 Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2008 Oregon

    Rating starts at a 4 and goes up from there.

    Unless the beer is terrible. Then it gets a 3.75. It only gets a 1 if it's BMC.
     
  5. ThisWangsChung

    ThisWangsChung Pooh-Bah (2,988) Oct 15, 2011 Maryland
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    When you have people saying stuff like "mediocre", "not good at all", and "subpar" to a beer they've given a 3.6 score to, then yeah, there's a big problem with overrating.
     
  6. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    3 would actually be middle of the road, since 0 is not an option
     
  7. leedorham

    leedorham Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Reasons for the large number of above-average reviews here:

    1. Craft beer, which can tend to be above average in quality isn't even 10% of the US market by volume, but constitutes most of the reviews on this site.

    2. Most establishments that reviewers frequent tend to serve or sell above average beer.

    3. Many people don't review every beer they drink, they just review the ones they felt good about drinking. I believe SN Celebration is the most reviewed beer on BA, even though it is clearly not the most consumed.

    4. We all like beer, and would feel bad about giving an "average" score to any beer that triggered a small release of dopamine in our hypothalmus.
     
  8. miketd

    miketd Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2006 Ohio

    I don't pay much attention to ratings, but the big, boozy, rare beers are rated way higher than I would rate them... in most cases.
     
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  9. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Overall, no. However if you were to simply focus on high profile beers, then I could see where some might suggest this.

    Also, the official average when selecting a rating on BA is 3; not 2.5 as we don't start at 0.

    By setting your own average, we could all suggest that you've been rating too low.
     
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  10. krl2112

    krl2112 Pooh-Bah (1,876) Nov 10, 2012 Illinois
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    Yep agreed. I guess I will start at 3 from now on and even look back at some of my others to possibly revise. Thanks for the input!
     
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  11. dan027

    dan027 Initiate (0) Mar 28, 2011 Pennsylvania

    I often think about this and think that I myself rate beers to high as it seems that nothing gets rated lower than 3. It's hard though because everything tastes so good.
     
  12. JuniperJesus

    JuniperJesus Pundit (805) Feb 26, 2011 Illinois

    Lagers are rated too low on this site; despite drinking a remarkable example of the style, the dunces around here rate them poorly simply because they don't like the style.
     
  13. imbrue001

    imbrue001 Zealot (673) Aug 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    I think a lot of people write reviews with the hope that other people read them, and in turn, respect their opinion. So its a bit easier to just go with the flow and focus on the good. Being critical becomes more daring. For example look at Yelp reviews. There are plenty of people willing to rate a McDonald's 4 or 5 stars (laff). Meanwhile probably about 90% of the reviews that get filtered out are negative/funny/critical, even though they are also, more importantly, honest and true.
     
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  14. Retsinis

    Retsinis Pooh-Bah (1,622) Sep 25, 2009 Arizona
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    Yeah, they tend to be on the high end. I think some don't want to be overly harsh, or bash otherwise generally loved brew, or a local brewery, or the hype rarity factor is also there too Also, from say Yelp as an example, often many reviews are 1 (one bad experience, from one person that never rviews) and others are 5 (drunk, fanboys, local biast, etc) but the real quality can generally be found in the middle scores, since then there are details as to what they liked, didn't, etc. BA reviews are similiar in this regard, imho.

    I haven't reviewd in a while, but got to about 300 - 400 hundred. I got bit better at it over time, but the context of your review is generally what matters, because pallette's differ. An example might be something like smoke, rye, or anise in a stout. Some love all of those, none of them, or one of them. Your desciption will detail those differences, and help others decide if that sounds like something they might like as well, but the score may not reflect that. Mainly, it's your opinion, which is just as valid as someone elses, and in the end, it's just one opinion.
     
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  15. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I do for sure. But back when I was in school, a 50% was considered an F. I don't know how things work nowadays.
     
  16. WickedSluggy

    WickedSluggy Savant (1,129) Nov 21, 2008 Texas

    I don't rate many beers, but I tend to rate beers I like more than beers I don't like. If others do the same, it will tend to skew the scores in a positive direction.
     
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  17. Tchfunkta

    Tchfunkta Initiate (0) May 14, 2009 Kentucky

    I try to compare beers based on similar beer of that style. Also, I stay away from reviewing beer styles I'm not particularly fond of, like peppery porters.
     
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  18. hopsbreath

    hopsbreath Savant (1,157) Aug 28, 2009 Florida

    Taste is subjective so a "5" beer for one guy isn't necessarily the same for another. If someone says Hoptimum is the greatest beer they've ever had, who am I to argue? Eventually everyone figures out who else has a palate similar to their own and which opinions to ignore.
     
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  19. krl2112

    krl2112 Pooh-Bah (1,876) Nov 10, 2012 Illinois
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    So that brings up another good thought. What if you don't like a specific style? What's wrong with rating it low? YOu are not rating it inaccurately. You simply do not like it.
     
  20. mychalg9

    mychalg9 Pooh-Bah (2,123) Apr 8, 2010 Illinois
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    I know I tend to, usually when giving an actual review. When I mark is as a "had" I generally consider a 4.0 or higher to be good enough to drink/buy again, a 3.75 is a "maybe drink again if its one of the only options, and a 3.5 or lower are "don't buy or drink". Ive noticed on the beers that I actually review I am usually a positive rDev, although I usually only tend to review beers I really like.
     
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