Does BCBS17' have the potential to age?

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by MeltingCloud, Jan 2, 2018.

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  1. MeltingCloud

    MeltingCloud Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2017 South Korea

    Sorry if this has already been asked. I heard that Goose Island has been using flash pasteurization since 2016. So, I wonder It still has the potential to age because of the negative of that process..
     
  2. cmukid87

    cmukid87 Initiate (0) Jan 30, 2017 Michigan
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    I'm pretty sure they still claim "up to 5 years" on the label. Whether or not there is any data or science behind that, I don't have an answer.
     
  3. youradhere

    youradhere Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2008 Washington

    Yes, everything has “potential” to age :slight_smile:

    Grab 2 bottles, drink one, save one for 12 months.
     
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  4. MeltingCloud

    MeltingCloud Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2017 South Korea

    Thanks man!
     
  5. MeltingCloud

    MeltingCloud Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2017 South Korea

    Yes, they do. Thanks!
     
  6. CoreyC

    CoreyC Initiate (0) Mar 16, 2015 Wisconsin

    My notes on the '16 was it was meaningfully improved at a year as compared to fresh. I also had a fresh '17 within days of the 1 y.o. '16 and didn't think it was as good. So for me, it definitely changes (and improves) at least at 1 year of aging.
     
  7. MeltingCloud

    MeltingCloud Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2017 South Korea

    Thanks! That sounds really good!
     
  8. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    I had a 16 last night, loved it. Still had coffee smell and taste. Very smooth and unlike regular which I love too, it doesn't taste sweet to me.
     
  9. SovietBillCosby

    SovietBillCosby Devotee (360) Dec 6, 2013 New Jersey

    It definitely still ages because of oxidation. Although that means that for you to detect any differences from fresh bottle it would probably take a year or more of cellaring.
    The flash pasteurization will really only be noticeable to those that have had vintage BCBS prior to '16.
     
  10. MeltingCloud

    MeltingCloud Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2017 South Korea

    Yes, I agree. But, I have tried 14' and 17', I felt the difference definitely in viscosity. I doubt that 17' can get that viscosity after aging.
     
  11. KBlodorn

    KBlodorn Pundit (920) Oct 3, 2014 Ohio
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    People say flash pasteurizing stunts the aging process, but honestly, I think that's a myth. Unless someone can show me proof. Deschutes has been flash-pasteurizing Abyss for years and 8/10 people prefer that beer aged. Like youradhere said, drink one and age one #d1a1 :slight_smile:
     
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  12. MeltingCloud

    MeltingCloud Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2017 South Korea

    Oh I didn't know that Deschutes has been doing that. Thanks man!
     
  13. Lazhal

    Lazhal Pooh-Bah (1,890) Mar 13, 2011 Michigan
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    I had a 13 a month or so ago that I thought seemed thicker too.

    I remember reading yeast will slowly consume more sugar over time, so I would think we should be seeing the exact opposite...that is, 17 bcbs should be thicker. Unless there was a change to the recipe or process of course.
     
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  14. Eggman20

    Eggman20 Crusader (433) Feb 14, 2017 Minnesota

    As a homebrewer I can assure you that this is not true. Any living yeast will eat any residual sugars rather quickly unless left at cold temperatures and no brewery would want living yeast eating sugar in bottles creating additional CO2. By doing flash pasteurization GI has killed any yeast wild or not left in the beer.

    So to answer the question of this post, yes you can age the beer and the flavors will change like any normal year. A number of the flavor changes is a result of oxidation which would be bad in a normal beer but can add some very tasty notes in high ABV beers and barrel aged beers.
     
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  15. Lazhal

    Lazhal Pooh-Bah (1,890) Mar 13, 2011 Michigan
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    13/14 weren't pasteurized. The other poster and I were comparing those to 17.
     
  16. Eggman20

    Eggman20 Crusader (433) Feb 14, 2017 Minnesota

    I was just pointing out that any yeast left in the 13/14 would have no effect on changes in that beer as the yeast would have consumed all possible sugars well before the batch was bottled. A bacterial infection on the other hand could still be there since there was no pasteurization but you'd likely notice that in the taste.

    There's a number of factors that can lead to a beer tasting thinner or thicker so its hard to say why the newer versions are coming across as thinner without knowing the details of GI brewing of BCBS.
     
  17. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    Ultimately, I think the question is: assuming the recipe has not changed, what could lead one vintage having a thicket or thinner mouthfeel than a fresh bottle if not the residual sugars/yeast issue?
     
  18. CaptainHate

    CaptainHate Initiate (0) Apr 22, 2006 Ohio

    Thanks, this is exactly what I'll do although I thought the fresh 2017 was the best I had all year.
     
  19. Lazhal

    Lazhal Pooh-Bah (1,890) Mar 13, 2011 Michigan
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    Below is a quote from Jared Jankoski, the Goose Island brewmaster, which sums up nicely what you wanted to know about flash pasteurization.

    The full blog is available here.
     
  20. MeltingCloud

    MeltingCloud Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2017 South Korea

    It sums up everything I wanted to know. Thanks man!
     
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