Does Patience Pay Off?

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  1. StevensBrewing

    StevensBrewing Initiate (0) Oct 13, 2014 Pennsylvania

    What is the general consensus of leaving a beer in primary for 2 weeks and not touching it and then moving it to secondary for another two weeks before bottling? I know some beers don't need this, but does patience pay off? Does the added time in primary help even though primary fermentation is over?
    I'd like to think beer will get better the longer it sits, I believe it is the case for my first Scottish Ale I brewed in Nov. which was sadly finished this weekend, it was never better after being in the bottles for over two months.

    I have a German Altbier in primary and a Kolsch in secondary ready for bottling the weekend after next.


    Thanks!
    Nick
     
  2. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    I routinely leave my low to moderate gravity ales in primary for 2 to 3 weeks then keg them and let them sit/carbonate for another 2 weeks and it is still usually about another 2 weeks before my beers hit their prime. I believe that with many styles patience more than pays off.
     
  3. StevensBrewing

    StevensBrewing Initiate (0) Oct 13, 2014 Pennsylvania

    I want to eventually get into kegging! I don't have any equipment yet, for now I don't mind bottling too much, I have more than a few swing tops to make life a bit easier.
     
  4. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    Most beer does not need a secondary. Leave your beer on the yeast for 3 weeks then bottle.
     
  5. StevensBrewing

    StevensBrewing Initiate (0) Oct 13, 2014 Pennsylvania

    I will try that with my next batch, thanks!
     
  6. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Even though primary fermentation finishes, remaining yeast in suspension still clean up fermentation by products like diacetyl, acetaldehyde, etc.. So, in short, yes patience pays off. Also, when a beer cold conditions in the fermenter, cold conditioning tank, or keg or bottle for an extended period of time there are fermentation by-products, tannins, phenols, proteins that fall out of suspension and give the beer a "refined" taste as opposed to if the beer was not conditioned this way.

    This all is very strain dependent though and what kind of beer you are aiming for. A Hefeweizen you want to have all of these fermentation characteristics, so you really wouldn't want to let secondary or cold condition too long, just enough to drop out some of the yeast and trub matter and then package. An Altbier you would probably want the yeast to clean up most of the fermentation by-products and cold condition for a few days to drop out before packaging. I think is very style dependent.
     
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  7. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    If you want to test this out, next Hefe you do ... do split batch and turn 1/2 the batch over quick, while the other 1/2 of the batch let sit an additional week in fermenter and an additional week in cold condition. Compare the two, what you'll end up with will be more like Hefeweizen vs Kristalweizen.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Below is something I just posted in another thread:

    "A few weeks ago I would have posted that waiting 4+ weeks is OK but a recent post by @honkey has given me pause: “I can just about guarantee you will be happier with your beer if you pitch healthy yeast and get the beer off the yeast cake soon after letting the yeast clean up off flavors.”

    And: “I have witnessed pH rise as much as .1 in a day from autolysis. Early on, you may not taste autolysis in its typical flavor descriptors (meaty, rubber, savory, tar, etc.) but what will happen is that pH will rise to be closer to the pH of your saliva. When that happens, flavors become less discernible and they can become more muddled.”

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/took-beer-off-yeast-accidentally.256372/#post-3275586

    FWIW, it is my practice to give the yeast a few days to perform its ‘clean up’ activity and then promptly bottle."

    Cheers!
     
  9. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    You are usually better off leaving your beer alone and let the yeast do all the talking. They'll let you know when fermentation is complete when the airlock stops bubbling, the krausen falls, and the beer begins to clear. Before that, you really should not rack. You need all the yeast in there to do your job. There's no use in pulling the rug out from under the beer!
     
  10. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    I used to be very impatient with mine, but I also used to do secondary on all my batches. That was until I realized that unless you're bulk aging it something such as oak or fruit, there really is no need. All the aging can be done in the bottle. Now I can have a lower gravity beer ready to drink in about 3 weeks.

    ...but to answer your question. Yes. Patience does pay off. I let 2 cases of a barleywine sit for over 1-1/2 years, and it's drinking awesome now. It was NOT drinking awesome when it was fresh. Over time the harshness has mellowed a lot, and now I'm left with something I can really enjoy.
     
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  11. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Several issues pertaining to patience.

    - Benefits of using a 2ndary
    @premierpro gets it right.
    In most cases ... t'ain't worth the time and effort.

    - Time spent conditioning in the bottle
    This is one of those YMMV things.
    Most of my beers reach peak-brew between 8 and 12 weeks. Some as early as six.

    - Style (and gravity)
    One size won't fit all.
    CW - lower OGs peak sooner than higher OGs
     
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