Does SN Pale Ale usually look like this?

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  1. PSU_Mike

    PSU_Mike Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Aside from time, what are the (if any) advantages of force carbing beer?
     
  2. robear

    robear Initiate (0) May 24, 2014 Wisconsin

    New Glarus cask-conditions most of their beers in brite tanks or giant wooden casks. They greatly prefer natural to forced carbonation.
     
  3. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Krausening is adding some newly boiled and cooled wort (pre-fermentation), for a new batch of beer, to the "old" beer to jump-start the yeast for carbonation -- basically the same as bottle conditioning, but many home-brewers opt to just boil up some corn sugar or dry malt extract in water, cool it, and add it to the fermented beer they're about to bottle.

    Some of my harder-core friends would plan far ahead to start a new batch of beer and utilize a little of the new wort for conditioning -- thus krausening.
     
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  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Time (less time) is the advantage of force carbonation. For commercial breweries, time = money.

    I am not aware of any other advantages for force carbonation.

    Cheers!
     
  5. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    It is a more reliable or easier way to carbonate a very high ABV beer.
     
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  6. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Also - to be 100% certain that a barrel aged beer actually carbonates! (see Lost Abbey/Port Brewing's past woes)
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I certainly agree with the easier (as in saving time). Many Belgian breweries are able to consistently carbonate high ABV beers via bottle conditioning.

    Cheers!
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I am unfamiliar with whatever issue(s) Lost Abbey had but I do agree that force carbonation 'works' every time. As a homebrewer, bottle conditioning has worked every time for me including high ABV and extended aged beers.

    Maybe Lost Abbey should hire me!?!:confused:

    Cheers!
     
  9. PSU_Mike

    PSU_Mike Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Don't forget about East End's "Flatitude" years.
     
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  10. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    A few years back, many people complained about bottles of various batches of Angel's Share and some other beers.
    Their stance on the issue did not exactly earn them much good will. For example, see this interview with Tomme Arthur (the 4th question down the page) http://thefullpint.com/breweries/port-brewing/interview-with-tomme-arthur/

    I haven't seen much talk about the issue recently, so maybe they fixed their issues.
     
  11. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Yeah, but at least they did the right thing and didn't screw their customers.
     
  12. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    You don't add sugar or some other fermentable (i.e., powdered malt extract) before bottling, to give the yeast some food to make a bit more alcohol but, more importantly, to create the CO2 to carbonate the beer? That's the more "modern" method homebrewers use. The Prohibition era homebrewers often bottled based on a hydrometer reading (w/ just enough sugar left), which gave homebrew the reputation of often creating basement bottle bombs.
     
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  13. RichardMNixon

    RichardMNixon Maven (1,431) Jun 24, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Most force-carbed craft beers are also pasteurized, no? I don't know which factor is bigger than the other, but I could certainly see some breweries choosing to force-carb in order to reduce the chance of infection.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It is my understanding that the majority of craft breweries do not pasteurize their beers; the mega-breweries do pasteurize their beers.

    Maybe @jesskidden has figures on which breweries pasteurize vs. not pasteurize?

    Cheers!
     
  15. TommyTheHat

    TommyTheHat Initiate (0) Jul 30, 2014 Pennsylvania

    Yes, I added sugar. But I still had sediment. It's been years but if I remember correctly it was dextrose (?).
     
  16. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah (and, again, one of those topics that come up frequently, but with 1000+ packaging breweries...hard to put an exact figure on them) not a lot of pasteurization going on in most craft breweries. Anchor flash pasteurizes everything (kegs and bottles), IIRC New Belgium and New Glarus have a few beers each they pasteurize, and, one expects, the beers brewed/contract brewed at old line breweries like Matt, Spoetzl, The Lion, BBC., etc., are probably typically pasteurized.
    Well, MillerCoors does microfilter/sterile-fill several of their beers (Coors Banquet, Miller Genuine Draft) and neither AB or MC routinely pasteurize their domestic kegged beers.

    @RichardMNixon - What's the connection between force carbonation and pasteurization?
     
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  17. KStark

    KStark Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2012 Canada (BC)

    I'm drinking a can conditioned SNP right now and there is a some sediment in the bottom of my glass and it tastes great. It's a live beer there will be some yeast and maybe some hop sediment.
     
  18. RichardMNixon

    RichardMNixon Maven (1,431) Jun 24, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Sorry, that's more what I meant than a real heat-based Pasteurization like in milk. My impression was that most American craft breweries strive to remove living cells from beer before packaging; is that not correct? Rodenbach comes up often as an example of a beer that shouldn't be aged because it's pasteurized; is that a heat treatment or some other process to remove cells?

    If you pasteurize it, there's nothing left to naturally carbonate it. Forced carbonation becomes your only option.
     
  19. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2010 California

    It will put hair on your chest.
     
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  20. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    That's true for bottle conditioning (in most cases*), but you originally asked if:
    ...which isn't the case. Many forced-carbed beers are not pasteurized.

    And, of course, since tunnel pastuerization is done after bottling, it doesn't matter if the the beer was forced-carbed or carbonated in bulk (bunged, tank conditioned or kraeusened).

    * Some brewers supposedly flash pasteurize, then bottle with new, often different, yeast, and bottle condition that way.
     
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