Does the less rare a beer becomes mean lower ratings?

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  1. SPLITGRIN

    SPLITGRIN Pooh-Bah (1,819) May 13, 2003 Kentucky
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    As I was looking over the top 250 beers tonight a thought came to me. I found it strange how so many beers had dropped in ratings as the production numbers climbed. So I was wondering does quality drop when a brewer makes more or do we rate beers higher based on rarity? I know a few that stuck out in my mind over the past couple of years are beers like Darklord, Black Note, Berserker and BA Plead the 5th to name a few. So what are your opinions on this? Or am I just way off base?
     
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  2. feloniousmonk

    feloniousmonk Grand Pooh-Bah (3,549) Nov 14, 2002 Minnesota
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    It's true. you can no longer taste the rarity, so reviews and rankings reflect that.
     
  3. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    By and large, yes. The two main factors I can think of, off-hand (and which I've seen discussed on this site before), are:

    1) Hype. Duh. This probably doesn't need any further explanation or clarification.

    2) Homer/local-ism. The more limited a beer's distro, the larger the proportion of the reviews which are going to be from locals. Between local pride (our beer is better!), personally knowing the brewers (or feeling a connection), and - not to be underrated! - having the beer as fresh as possible, these reviews are naturally going to trend higher. As people less biased - and getting the beer less fresh - start to weigh in, the scores should lower over time.

    The only case where I would think that the quality of the beer itself might drop is when a brewer expands to a new brewery (or contracts out). A different facility, with different workers and different water, might well have an effect. (This is also discussed on this site.)
     
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  4. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    What @Roguer said plus the (perhaps overly) negative review from those who expect liquid sex and just get a good beer. I cannot claim innocence here (Hopslam being a recent example).
     
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  5. SoCalBeerIdiot

    SoCalBeerIdiot Pooh-Bah (2,191) Mar 10, 2013 California
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    No, not for me anyway, but I'm definitely less likely to buy it if I know I can get it any time. There are tons of awesome, readily-available, year-round beers I pass up while searching for the latest limited release, seasonal, or rotational beer.
     
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  6. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Unfortunately 1000s (if not 100,000s) of people pay attention to the Top 250 on here, when the list is essentially meaningless.
     
  7. rolltide8425

    rolltide8425 Pooh-Bah (2,470) Feb 18, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    "Tasting the rarity" is a great way to put it. Well said felonious monk.
     
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  8. alucard6679

    alucard6679 Savant (1,009) Jul 29, 2012 Arizona

    I've only been a part of the craft community around two years now and it didn't take long at all to pick up on the way things work around here. As soon as I got done shaking my head it became a continuing source of amusement, which is one of the few reasons I still lurk around these forums. Cheers :slight_smile:
     
  9. Kahless

    Kahless Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2013 Kansas

    Getting it fresh cannot be underestimated. The best-tasting IPAs I've ever had were from local breweries Boulevard and Free State, neither of which is really known as an IPA brewer. I just know they were days-old brews.
     
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  10. DoubleJ

    DoubleJ Grand Pooh-Bah (4,516) Oct 13, 2007 Wisconsin
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    If it's true, the community has a palate than mine, because my palate cannot tell me how much of a given beer was made.
     
  11. spoony

    spoony Pooh-Bah (2,591) Aug 1, 2012 Colorado
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    I agree with Roguer and would add that the "next big thing" aspect seems to drive higher ratings for rare beer.

    That is, if you're one of the first people to rate a great beer, you may have a conscious or subconscious desire to have that beer be the the next big thing. That way you can say or feel that you had the next big thing before it was number 27 or whatever on the top 250. Thus, you might rank that great beer higher than you would a comparable beer with an already huge reputation.

    On the flip side, if you're late to the party and there are 2000 people that have already rated a great beer and made it number 27, you might be inclined to pull the Swingers line and rate the beer along they lines of: "This party's [beer's] dead anyway." In other words you might consciously or subconsciously rank it lower than you might rank a comparable beer because you don't want to be the last kid jumping on the bandwagon.

    Of course Heady Topper may disprove this entire thread, but OP, you have a point.
     
  12. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    higher sample size + lower chance of trade value inflation bias.
     
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  13. cyrushire

    cyrushire Initiate (0) May 25, 2012 Florida

    When a specific style is rare, those drawn to that specific style seek it out and rate it highly. When the beer becomes widely available, people whom don't necessarily seek out the style try it because of its availability. They downgrade the ratings because they approach it with a different mindset.
     
  14. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    The beers of fame list pretty much corrects the homer/hype train. IMHO It's the only one that matters
     
  15. Shroud0fdoom

    Shroud0fdoom Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Maryland

    Well it's human nature to crave the forbidden fruit. When that fruit is no longer forbidden, it doesn't taste as sweet anymore...
     
  16. Ilovelampandbeer

    Ilovelampandbeer Pooh-Bah (1,719) Aug 25, 2013 New York
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    It's not unique to beer, either...tons of consumer goods that are rare and expensive get hype and lead people to believe what they are buying is automatically top notch because "you get what you pay for"....my favorite brewery is hill farmstead...single bottles of theirs are 15 dollars minimum...if they were to bottle their next release under a fake brewery name, nationally distribute it and charge a fraction of their normal price, I GUARANTEE it would garner considerably lower ratings...so to answer OP question, hell yes...and I'm pretty sure we're all guilty of it
     
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  17. fox227

    fox227 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2010 California

    I feel that it has more to do with this: a beer becomes more available to the masses and there's a larger sample size drinking it, then the average will probably skew down a bit. But who really cares in the end? Plus, I love the fact that I can get a once rare beer more easily. I remember just a few years ago I could hardly ever find Sculpin and now hardly a month goes by where I haven't had a few, and I'm better for it. Who cares if it's not the #1 rated IPA anymore?
     
  18. FoamInnovation

    FoamInnovation Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2013 Washington

    I lol'd hard at this. Truth.
    It's hard for me to take any score seriously unless they result from blind tasting. That being said, what difference does the score make? The beer tastes the same regardless, and your palate can't taste rarity (@DoubleJ:wink:).
    Scores are naught but a guide. Optional, and only as important as you make them.
     
  19. Greywulfken

    Greywulfken Grand Pooh-Bah (5,815) Aug 25, 2010 New York
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    Increased production should equal increased exposure, but I don't think increased production necessarily equals decreased quality. I also expect that ratings will change as more people try the beer, but I don't think there's a specific relationship between rarity and ratings. I think changes in ratings due to increased exposure ultimately depend on the product.
     
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  20. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    What you are observing doen't have any necessary relationship to quality of beer as production is ramped up. As it turns out, even if all the proposed biases (e.g., change in quality, homerism, taste of rare, freshness, distance from brewery) were not operating the beers being rated at the extreme upper end of the scale will tend to move away from that extreme as more ratings are added into the mix. In otherwords, you'll see such changes in ratings at the extremes regardless of what is being rated.
     
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