Does this warrant a trader warning / bad trade feedback?

I mean...I'll do it.

@CardsWinAgain Anything to say?

 

I don't think there's much more he will say. From the PDF, he's not accusing the OP of lying, but since the OP was the only person to open the box.... Essentially, "I'm not saying it's aliens..."

One strange part is that it took nearly 2 weeks for him at one point to get back to the OP (at "Sooooo...any updates?" part). Like others here, I have no reasons to believe the OP would go through all this trouble just for 1 beer.

 

Your saying he is falsely trying to out someone? Does not look false to me..

 

Definitely, but he should see that the general consensus is "make good on your commitment."

 

No, I'm saying he clearly has better things to do than to falsely try and oust someone. I guess it reads both ways, but if you read the rest I'm saying the sender is in the wrong and needs to complete the trade.

 

This same sort of thing happened to one of my boxes this winter. I shipped three 3 lambics out to Arizona, only two arrived at the destination. Box was in perfect condition when it arrived. I'm assuming that they froze, one burst and UPS repacked the box. I could not replace the missing bottle and I was never contacted by UPS. Luckily the guy I was trading with didn't ship out his box yet so we just reduced some of the bottles coming my way on his end.

I guess what i'm saying is, if he said he shipped them, I would give him the benefit of the doubt...

 

True, but even if he sent all 3 he is still responsible for replacing the missing bottle especially since he drank the first bottle that was agreed upon.

 

But why do we always assume that the sender is at fault? Not saying this particular OP is lying, because in this particular case I personally lean towards the OP in that his story is legit, since the sender had already done a few questionable things. But in most threads I read everyone tends to lean on the side of the recipient(or OP majority of the time) in that the sender didn't put everything in the box. I'm just curious as to why it is always that way? Couldn't we just as easily assume the recipient took a bottle out, and took pictures with one missing? I'm just curious why its always the senders fault if a bottle is "missing".

 

You're right. My situation was slightly different as my trade partner didn't send out his box yet so we adjuted on the fly. If I had received his box, I would have either shipped back some of his bottles or shipped out an agreed upon replacement to him (which I had to do with a different trade partner, don't ship Lambics in the winter

My post was more in reference to the fact that UPS absolutely opened my sent box, removed a damaged product, and still sent it to the requested ship to address without contacting me.

 

@thetomG is obviously a thief. Send me your address and I'll send you a beer, dick.

 

No sign of leakage, no sign the box was ever opened by anyone other than you.. I agree that special herbs is a fantastic beer, but don't steal...

 

I once had a box that got replaced along the way by FedEx and did not have a shipment exception or anything. Just two bottles got taken out, repacked and sent along. I immediately sent replacement bottles. Got lucky I had multiples of the bottles in question.

 

Very well could be the other way around and I don't have an answer other than why would someone want to put forth the effort to slander someone else's name for no reason? I dunno.

 

It seems one of three things happened, in order from least likely to most likely (IMO):

1) OP is lying
2) His sender is lying
3) FedEx repackaged the box and took the one beer, for whatever reason

Sender should probably make good on the bottle but it's not a clear-cut situation

 

My allegiance is shifting toward CardsWinAgain. His trade history is positive. No known issues in his other BIFs. Why would he not send a bottle and say he did?

 

It could've simply been an honest mistake on his part and that he honestly believed that it was sent, but it wasn't. I just have a really hard time believing the OP would go through this extraordinary effort to get a beer that he has already gotten.

 

One thing is clear, this thread is going nowhere and I doubt we'll ever have a definitive answer of what really happened. Another unsolved BA mystery.

 

Why would he drink a bottle he put up as part of his entrance to the BIF in the first place? He hasnt exactly shown himself to be stellar in this situation.

My personal opinion is that until a guy is holding the bottles I've sent him in his hands, its my responsibility. Period.