Does wax help reduce oxidation?

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by torr99, Jun 19, 2015.

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  1. torr99

    torr99 Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2015 Nevada

    I noticed some bombers are packaged with wax over the caps. Is this just a marketing thing? Or does it actually help seal the bottle better, and reduce oxidation over time?
     
  2. AndrewK

    AndrewK Savant (1,123) Oct 20, 2006 California

    There has been much discussion about this topic in this forum. If you search for "wax" you will find several threads. I think that the consensus is that it probably doesn't help much if any, but it can't hurt (unless you stab yourself trying to remove it), but there hasn't been enough research on the topic and anecdotal reaponses go both ways.
     
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  3. beernuts

    beernuts Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2014 Virginia

    Have you ever seen a corked and waxed bottle?
     
  4. TreeBear

    TreeBear Initiate (0) May 29, 2014 Oregon

    Propolis brewing in WA waxes, corks, and caps their beers. I've never been more pissed off opening a beer.
     
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  5. Loganyoung

    Loganyoung Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2011 Georgia

    This is one of those things where if you ask 10 different people you'll get 10 different answers. But I remember a while back someone posted a little experiment they did where they aged 2 of the same beers for a few years, one waxed and the other without and said their was a definite difference.
     
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  6. TheGent

    TheGent Grand Pooh-Bah (4,235) Jun 29, 2010 New Jersey
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    All I can say is that I wax my beers and have had beers up to 10 years old that have held up. I've never had one go bad, so why not continue doing it? I've not waxed beers that have gone bad. It can't hurt the beer (as long as you don't lock in moisture) and it's cheap and kind of fun to do. Plus if you color code (which I don't) your cellar will look cool and all of your friends will be impressed.
     
  7. TheGent

    TheGent Grand Pooh-Bah (4,235) Jun 29, 2010 New Jersey
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    My primary reason is protecting the beer. They're all black. It's clear which side of discussion you're on. :wink:
     
  8. TheGent

    TheGent Grand Pooh-Bah (4,235) Jun 29, 2010 New Jersey
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    Air, moisture. Anything outside the bottle that could get in.
     
  9. TheGent

    TheGent Grand Pooh-Bah (4,235) Jun 29, 2010 New Jersey
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    I suppose then that I should switch to better colors other than black so that my beers look cooler.
     
  10. TheGent

    TheGent Grand Pooh-Bah (4,235) Jun 29, 2010 New Jersey
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    Geeze I'm not certain because it's been a long time since I've bought wax but I believe L. D. Carlson beads. Whatever my local homebrews shop carried but I believe that was it.
     
  11. Loganyoung

    Loganyoung Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2011 Georgia

    It's more trying to slow the rate of oxygen defusing into the beer through the seal in the cap then trying to physically keep anything out or in
     
  12. Loganyoung

    Loganyoung Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2011 Georgia

    Which loss of carb often does happen in long term cellared beers.
    Here's a quote from jackhorzempa in a thread a while back discussing the topic.
     
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  13. Imperial207

    Imperial207 Initiate (0) Aug 9, 2014 Maine

    Whats is the point of cellaring beer? To allow it to change over time as it reacts to oxygen. What your trying to do, by waxing, is slow that process down. But for what? So it takes longer to age to perfection? Im a beer drinker. I cellar my beer to improve flavor and taste as it developes over time. Im not a beer collector. I don't need to take someone to my basement, hold up a bottle, wag my ego, and say this is 10 years old. I like the idea of stock rotation. Every 2 to 5 years, will be all new bottles for the most part. People have been cellaring beer for years without waxcand nothing bad has happened.

    To me this debate is as simple as wax if you want to, other wise dont bother.
     
  14. Loganyoung

    Loganyoung Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2011 Georgia

    I totally agree. Does does oxygen diffuse through the cap? Yes. But as any homebrewer knows the rate of oxidation greatly depends on how the beer was handled. Racking, bottling, ect.
     
  15. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Sierra Nevada went to the pry off caps to minimize the O2 coming in. They reduced the O2 diffusion by a factor of 20, but it still gets in.

    Aging and oxidation also happens due to redox reactions, it is not just O2.
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    There is no one simple answer to that question.

    There are numerous flavors associated with oxidation process compounds. Some of the flavor descriptors for oxidation process compounds include:

    · Honey like sweetness

    · Caramel type flavors

    · Cardboard/Papery

    · Sherry

    · Dark fruit flavors in dark colored beers

    · Etc.

    The descriptor of cardboard/papery is popularly ascribed to a beer being oxidized but that is not necessarily to most common manifestation of oxidation.

    The cardboard/papery compound is a long-chain alphatic (non-aromatic) aldehyde (e.g., 2-noneal) with a perception threshold in beer of 50-100 ng/l.

    Cheers!
     
  18. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Total packaged O2 at a low level is in the 20-30 ppb range. With the data Jack provided, you can see that the diffusion through the cap liner is appreciable. Anything that reduces that is better.

     
    #18 hopfenunmaltz, Jun 22, 2015
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