Double mash for higher gravity

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by CShell1234, Jan 2, 2020.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. CShell1234

    CShell1234 Initiate (0) Oct 25, 2018 New York

    I’m trying to figure out how to make a big stout for barrel aging with my current equipment...

    I have a single 10 gal kettle and do biab. If I wanted to make say a 12% stout, could I make a recipe for a 6% stout, mash then rack to a carboy, mash a second 6% stout then boil for twice as long adding back the first mash as space allows?

    I know this sounds like a long ass brew day but I made a stout a few months ago that came in just under 9% and the mash was just about maxed out and boy was that bag heavy! I plan to get myself a 15 or 20 gal mash tun at some point but if I get around to brewing this beer before then, could I go this route? As an added bonus I should get better efficiency from 2 smaller mashes than one big one, right?
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    You could do it that way.

    But I'd recommend doing two smaller mashes (i.e. 1/2 volume) that each hit the OG you need to get your 12% ABV.
     
    Eggman20 likes this.
  3. CShell1234

    CShell1234 Initiate (0) Oct 25, 2018 New York

    So for 5 gallons, do two 2.5 gallon 12% batches? What’s the difference? Time? Batch consistency? Would you not get better efficiency with two 6% batches, or would the smaller batches aid in efficiency?
     
  4. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah

    The answer is 'yes' to your first question. If you brew two smaller 6% batches and add them to your fermenter you'll just have a 5-gallon, 6% batch.
     
  5. beershrine

    beershrine Pundit (819) May 29, 2004 Idaho

    There is also the no sparge method. Efficiency goes out the window but big beers are wasteful.
     
    CShell1234 likes this.
  6. the_owl

    the_owl Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2019 New Mexico

    Smaller batches would mean more room for grain on your system.
     
    CShell1234 likes this.
  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Partial mash. Mash all specialty grain in your recipe plus as much base malt as you can fit in your mash tun without creating problems for yourself. Make up the rest of the required gravity by adding light dme to your boil in the last 15 minutes.
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Time. You can always make more wort than you need (thus increasing mash efficiency) and boil it down, but at the expense of time.
     
    CShell1234 likes this.
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    I'll just add that if going this way, DME is the way to do it (vice LME), but personally I wouldn't even go that way. Malt Extract is born stale (i.e. oxidized). It's the reason people have to add it late in the boil to mitigate the color coming out too dark.
     
    CShell1234 likes this.
  10. tmm786

    tmm786 Devotee (377) Jan 13, 2019 Tennessee
    Trader

    You could also try "re-iterative mashing." Do your first mash as normal by using tap water, then use the product of that mash as your strike water for another mash. You could do the first mash with all base grain to get a high gravity and no color, then your second mash could be a blend of base grains with all your typical stout specialty grains.
     
  11. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    He said he could make a 9% beer before maxing out his mash set up. My advice is to use the least amount of extract he can get away with, so roughly 25% of the grist would be extract. I feel pretty confident that if every other effort is made to make a good 12% imperial stout, e.g., proper fermentation controls, water chemistry, and a decent recipe to start with, I would not find it distasteful due to this extract substitution.

    If anyone cares to prove me wrong on this feel free to brew a batch with 25% extract as I, and then beermail me.I will provide an address for you to send several bottles of your results so I can provide a more educated opinion.
     
    PapaGoose03, VikeMan and CShell1234 like this.
  12. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
    Pooh-Bah

    Why not use your exsiting equiptment and mash BIAB, pour off the wort, then add sparge water, slosh the bag around, let it sit for another 10-15 minutes, poor off second wort, then boil?

    Seems that would take less time then mashing twice.

    Yeah, you'd have to boil longer but a 12 % brew can be made this way.
     
    CShell1234 likes this.
  13. CShell1234

    CShell1234 Initiate (0) Oct 25, 2018 New York

    Well part of my issue is the weight of the bag when it comes time to lift it out and squeeze it... I’ve got some bungee cords and a ladder that I stand over top of the tun, but it’s still a pain. A pulley system is another upgrade I need as long as I’m doing biab. At the end of the day I don’t want my brew day to take an ungodly amount of time, but I don’t mind some extra time spent in the name of ease and safety.
     
  14. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
    Pooh-Bah

    If the weight of the bag is an issue, then hook a come a long to the e ladder. Problem solved.
     
    CShell1234 and riptorn like this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.