Draft IPA age?

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  1. Kadonny

    Kadonny Pooh-Bah (2,616) Sep 5, 2007 Florida
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    This, plus remember it has probably been refrigerated the entire time which will help keep the beer longer.
     
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  2. Alexmc2

    Alexmc2 Pundit (808) Jul 29, 2006 New Hampshire

    Most commercial kegs have a suggested shelf life of 90 days, less in some cases. I wouldn't touch anything that old. Or pay for it anyway.
     
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  3. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    When I buy kegs I always check the dates before I leave the store. With IPAs I like to be no older than 60 days so I have time to drink it. A bar could tolerate being close to the 90 day window because they presumable have a better run rate. Before I got picky about dates I did have a 90+ day old Lagunitas IPA that I wound up returning to the store, when the store contacted the distributor to get a fresher keg to replace it with he found that all they had was 90+ days old.
     
  4. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    IMHO that beer wasn't good fresh, wouldn't drink it now at all.
     
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  5. Iamjeff6

    Iamjeff6 Initiate (0) Sep 9, 2013 Virginia

    I know what bar we are talking about and even if they got it fresh, I doubt they would kill it before it went "bad"
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I used to think that draft beer would be “fresh”. I have had too many ‘off’ draft pints of Sculpin and Pliny the Elder to think that way anymore. When I go to a beer bar I will often ask for a sample of a hoppy beer before ordering a pint; that tactic has saved me from drinking many an ‘old’ IPA. I will use my 5 bucks to buy a non-old beer instead.

    Cheers!
     
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  7. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I love The Oceanic and always go back.
     
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  8. LuskusDelph

    LuskusDelph Initiate (0) May 1, 2008 New Jersey

    That depends on the IPA. And also upon one's individual taste preference.
    Historically speaking, IPA is, of course, traditionally a long-aged style (and remained so even long after the days of it being shipped to India by slow boat :grinning:).
    The bastardized "American" IPA currently popular seems to be favored by most folks when consumed über-fresh (I've heard people jokingly ask "...but what TIME was it bottled")...but even many of the new American IPAs are very good for quite a few months beyond their packaging date. The profile changes, of course, but not always to the detriment of the flavor. In the end, it all depends what you're looking for in your IPA anyway.
     
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  9. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    Well of course it is personal preference if you don't like in your face hops. I'll stick with my bastardized American IPA less than 90 days old. You can buy the old stuff.
     
  10. dougfur

    dougfur Initiate (0) Jan 24, 2011 New York

    Sorry, I'd pass. I don't pay good money for hoppy beers that aren't fresh.
     
  11. dougfur

    dougfur Initiate (0) Jan 24, 2011 New York

    If you're looking for strong hoppy aroma and taste, it has to be fresh. My rule is 2 months. If I'm paying 5-10 dollars for a glass of beer, I want it to be really good. I know I sound like a snob, but when you drink an old (modern American) IPA, you're just not getting what it's supposed to be. It's like ordering filet mignon and asking them to cook it well done.
     
  12. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    I know -- what's w everybody needing fresh beer? I like to make the analogy with bread -- why do people get so up tight eating a 2 week old loaf of whole grain bread??? Why do they waste it by throwing it in the garbage after a couple of days? So it's a little stiff, dry, and crusty -- that's the way the baker intended it to be! -- and he says it's good for at least 3 weeks.....so just eat it and stop whining.
     
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  13. BeerForMuscle

    BeerForMuscle Grand Pooh-Bah (3,713) Nov 26, 2006 New Jersey
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    You're completely entitled to that. I'm just not sure there would be a discernible difference in the beer over that course of time. $5 a glass doesn't seem too steep, depending on the serving size. Whatever floats everyones respective boat.
     
  14. bcp5296d

    bcp5296d Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2012 North Carolina

    Not to get off subject, but I have to go to Indoshine, Boca Bay Brunch, Sweet n Savory, and Oceanic every time I come back to visit. Its getting expensive haha.
    I hear Lighthouse is getting some crazy good stuff these days.
     
  15. bcp5296d

    bcp5296d Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2012 North Carolina

    I went to Buffalo Wild Wings (I have no idea why) recently and had a hop drop that must have been over 6 months old AND dirty tap lines. I ordered a Sam Adams :grinning: after tossing that one back to the "bartender".
     
  16. TonyLema1

    TonyLema1 Pooh-Bah (2,890) Nov 19, 2008 South Carolina
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    Does storing a keg in a cooler slow down the aging process?
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It sure does but the key words are "slow down". Even with cold storage beer undergoes oxidation processes. One of the way that oxidation processes manifests itself in hoppy beers is via hop fade.

    Cheers!
     
  18. KrajDoesBeer

    KrajDoesBeer Savant (1,228) Aug 2, 2014 Illinois
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    Yes stuff on tap goes bad just like bottles or cans. I run a beer program at my work(SteakHouse,18 taps) and my reps know dont even bother sending any Ale that is over 2 months old already. they know that i want fresh IPA that maybe rated lower if its fresher. Founders is struggling because they pour way to much into Chicago. Dark Penance is still on tap places and its so old. I tried it and its not close to the same. You have to watch breweries that only brew stuff once or are not as popular. Even in Chicago my #1 and 2 beers are Sculpin and Stone IPA. Because we tell people these are the freshest there are. Goose Island brews there IPAs in one wave, Ill only buy them when they first come out. Most good beer bars in Chicago follow the same idea.
     
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  19. Shroud0fdoom

    Shroud0fdoom Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Maryland

    This is true. I also order samples before I purchase a Pint. That way I know for a fact that I'm getting what I pay for. I tried Sculpin on tap a few months ago and it was still not that Tropical/Floral brew I remembered. So, I just went with Go To instead. The power of taste testing.
     
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  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Thank you be being a good publican. I wish there were more bar owners/managers like you!

    I recently posted my concerns about beer age of bottled/canned beers but I think this applies to kegged beer as well:

    “…too much old product sitting on the shelf.” I have been a little frustrated on this topic of late. I am concerned there is not an easy answer here. The overall beer distribution process has so many moving parts:

    · Breweries project demand for their various beer brands and produce certain amounts accordingly

    · Wholesale distributors purchase beer brands from a large portfolio of breweries (again based upon projected demand)

    · Beer retailers order beer brands from wholesale distributors based upon their judgment on what beer consumers want

    Of the above it is my guess that the brewery/wholesale distributor is the ‘weak link’. I have seen too many older beers showing up at my local retailers fresh off the truck. For example, I noticed a ‘new’ stack of SNPA at one of my local retailers a week ago and those beers were already 3+ months old. That retailer has very quick turnover so there is no doubt that they received these beers with this amount of age from the wholesale distributor. I do not anticipate that SNPA will just ‘sit’ at this retailer but let’s suppose this beer was an IPA or DIPA and the customers are similar to BAs who demand hoppy beers be only 1-2 months old. These types of consumers would refuse to buy these 3+ month old beers and it is easy to see that in a few months these beer will still be ‘sitting’ and then will be 5+ months old.

    I also discussed this topic here: http://www.beeradvocate.com/communi...h-west-coast-ipas-in-snj.238644/#post-3088345

    Cheers!
     
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