Dry Hopping During Fermentation

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  1. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Going to brew a simple 4% pale ale w/late boil and flame out galaxy and citra hop additions. The beer is destined for cask/serving at cellar temp. I’m going to use either 1056 or 1968 London ESB yeast. Anybody know if I will get any bioxformation effects using either of these yeasts if I dry hop during active fermentation? Trying to get some extra tropical juiciness in my first cask of the season. Cheers and thanks for any insight.
     
  2. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    You will get some bio-transformation with any yeast, but YMMV. I put some hops in my juicy IPA's at yeast pitching.
     
  3. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Well, don't know any bio trans stuff, but when I used citra during ferment, like at yeast pitch or shortly after, I got very little from it except for some extra bitter.

    I'd suggest using the citra towards the end of ferment.

    Not much experience to speak of with galexy
     
  4. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    1056 no.. I don’t believe it possesses the enzyme. 1968 is essentially what Firestone Walker uses. Matt Brynildson is the guy that popularized the term and the technique so I’d say if you use 1968 go for it, right at the tail end of fermentation. Thy being said you don’t need to dry hop during fermentation not at higher temps to get fruity flavors/aromas. Personally I think Galaxy is fruitier dry hopping below 60, same with Mosaic. Less stanky notes.
     
  5. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    There is interesting discussion in the above linked Lallemand paper concerning timing of the dry hop addition:

    “It is also important to note that this interaction may have unfavorable effects if we dry hop our beers under active fermentation (e.g. first fermentation) will lead to the reduction of hop oils by:

    - CO2 stripping (hop oils are very volatile)

    - Masking (fermentation compounds may mask the hop oil aroma)

    - Adsorption (hop oils adsorbed by yeast membrane, which is removed later on)

    However, if dry hopping is performed at the very end of the fermentation, where there is lower CO2 production (which kept within the tank) but yeast is still very active, the following benefits occur:

    - Less CO2 stripping (more hop oils kept in the beer matrix)

    - Reduction of dissolved oxygen (DO) by active yeast during dry hopping

    - Ethanol presence (more hop oil solubility)

    - Higher temperature (more solubility)- Some fermentation left (mixing effect due to beer turbulence)

    - Biotransformation

    Cheers!
     
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  7. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    There are lots of negative side effects of dry hopping during very active fermentation and really no reason to actually do it. Not listed is the risk for the creation of mercaptans from hops in contact with yeast for extended periods of time. Alpha acids coating the yeast and essentially causing them to explode and leak all their guts into your beer. Mercaptans aren’t sweet and some people are more sensitive to them than others. I find them in tons of beer where people add hops in the middle of fermentation.
     
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  8. i_still_like_beer

    i_still_like_beer Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2018 New Jersey

    In my opinion, if you are looking for juice/citrus from the hops, the later dry hop the better. Here is a good brulosphy done on the subject and I have changed my dry hope schedule when brewing NEIPA's and agree.

    Also, can you get Galaxy hops now? I couldn't for the longest time but haven't checked lately.
     
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