Dry Hopping In The Keg

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  1. jokelahoma

    jokelahoma Savant (1,162) May 9, 2004 Missouri

    Yes, I've looked through other threads. Here's the deal/dilemma: I brewed up an IPA for a party, using a mostly late hop/ hopbursting schedule. Nice flavor, but there's almost no hop aroma to this brew whatsoever. I dry hopped it for a week in the fermenter after primary slowed down, and still nothing. I'd like to remedy this, but the beer is already kegged and carbed.

    Here's what I anticipate doing, and please feel free to stop me if this is a problem waiting to happen.

    I plan to sanitize some cheesecloth and unwaxed floss or some type of string, place a couple ounces of hops pellets in the cheesecloth and roll it up and tie that off in something like a "tube" shape (multiple layers of cheesecloth to try to hold the hops in when they dissolve into sludge), tying at intervals around the resulting tube, leaving a little room for the pellets to expand but preventing the "tube" from unrolling. I also plan to sanitize some decorative glass marbles and tie those in the "tube" as well, to get the whole thing to sink, then drop it in the keg ... and quickly get the lid back on, before the zillion nucleation points cause the whole thing to foam over. I have a week before the party, so it would have 7 days to set on the hops.

    So, what could go wrong? An infection, should one occur, likely wouldn't manifest itself before the party, so I'm not too worried about that. My two main concerns are having the pellets get out of the cheesecloth, creating little green floaties in the brew (not appetizing), or having the bag get stuck in the dip tube, cutting off the flow of beer. Any thoughts on how likely either of those are to happen, or any other potential catastrophes I'm not considering? Thanks!
     
  2. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    I wouldn't do it. If your beer's already carbonated, and it's a full keg with little headspace, you're going to have a hard time getting the lid back on before the foam comes flying out of there. How do I know this? I tried it once myself and wound up cleaning a couple gallons of foam off the garage floor. And if you manage to get past that problem, you will still get some hop residue floating around in there. Could be a lot, or just a little, but some of the hop pellets are going to make it through the cheesecloth when they dissolve.

    Sorry to so negative. Maybe others have done this successfully. But based on my experience, I'd say either keg hop before you carbonate or not at all.
     
  3. Gonzoillini

    Gonzoillini Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2008 Illinois

    I've done this to two separate beers now with great results.

    What happened to me was that I dry hopped an IPA with Citra / Amarillo in the keg, and after 10 days I used a sanitized spoon to pull the hop bag out of the keg. After about a month the hop aroma had totally faded on me, and I had an extra 2oz of Sorachi Ace hops from a brett amber that I was dry hopping in the keg. So I used my standard keg hopping method which went something like;

    sanitize two muslin hop bags from the homebrew store, one large and one small. Use about 10 marbles that are also sanitized and tie them up in the smaller bag, then add your hops to the larger bag and add the marble bag to this (you will thank me later for not having to seperate hop sludge from marbles). Add this to your beer.

    I've only done this with fully carbed kegs that are about 2/3 full at most, and I've never had any problems. Your first few pints (I'd say the first 32 ounces or so) will contain hop particulate, and it won't be as bright as you'd like for the party, but you will get great aroma.

    As long as your keg isn't too full (and if it is just growler / bottle / drink some), you should have no problems.

    Cheers!
     
  4. tylermains

    tylermains Initiate (0) Apr 6, 2010 Kentucky

    I've never done this with an already carbonated keg. But I recently threw a nylon bag with about 5 ounces of Nelson and Simcoe into a uncarb'd keg. Let it naturally carbonate and it was fantastic. Drank it about a week after adding the dry hop addition and the priming sugar. Didn't clog, no floaties. Just tie it up pretty good.
     
  5. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Every time I have released the pressure from the headspace the beer did not foam everywhere, at least from my experience, no different than opening a bottle of beer in terms of foaming.

    I also keg hop before carbonating and it works great, I have not tried keg hopping after carbonating.
     
  6. EJLinneman

    EJLinneman Pundit (944) Mar 2, 2009 New Jersey
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    I've done this before with wet hops. I brewed some beer, carbed it, and a few weeks later did a hop harvest. I wanted to wet hop one of the beers I already brewed. I released the pressure from the keg, opened it up, added the wet hops, sanitized the cover and surrounding areas, and then recarbed. I didn't have any problems with infection or foam.
     
  7. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    I dry hop like this all the time, except I don't bother with the 'tube' dance. I simply spray a large muslin (cheesecloth) bag with StarSan, put the hops in the bag, tie the top of the bag, leaving plenty of room for the hops to swim, then drop it in the keg. Put it in the kegerator and don't jostle it before the party. Pour a pint or two before your guests arrive to get the initial gunk out. Never had an issue with excessive floaties or clogged dip tubes with this technique As a bonus, draw a pint about twenty minutes or so after you put the hops in. The hop flavor and aroma are insane! I'm guessing some hop 'dust' settles around the dip tube and is getting picked up in that first pour.
     
  8. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    This is my keg hopping regimen:

    I use a 1 gallon paint strainer bag and something to tie it closed with. I boil them for ~10 minutes and then fill it and chuck it in the keg. I have done this to carbonated beer forgetting about nucleation points, and you do have to be quick. The weight of the hop sludge pulls it down to the bottom, covering the dip tube but I have never had an issue with clogs

    The problems I have with it is that every time I move the keg, some hop particles (or more than some depending) get out. The first pour or two will be sludgey and then the rest clean. If you have to move your keg for the party try to get it done a day before so the particulate that will get out (it's unavoidable, there are tiny tiny little particles) will settle. I guess the other option is dry hop for 5, remove, cold crash, pour off the first few green pints.
     
  9. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    It's not opening the keg that does it. It's putting the hop pellets, with their many nucleation sites, into the carbonated beer.
     
  10. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    Instead of doing this why not build a randall? for ~$20 at HD/Lowes you could get everything you need, AND avoid the sticky mess
     
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  11. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Cant you just keep an eye on the pressure and release pressure when it gets too high?
     
  12. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    its when you open the keg AND then add the hops, before you close the lid it will start foaming like mad
     
  13. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Alright I see what is being said now... that makes sense, I did not realize that the foaming would get out of control that quickly.
     
  14. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I've done it before.

    Go buy a hop bag, it's a bit finer mesh but allows the beer to flow through it better. They are like... $3 bucks and reuseable.. Works better at keeping pellet junk out it.

    Open the lid, allow the beer to settle if it foams a bit. Put hops in the bag, pull it closed tight and then I like to loop the string around it again into another loose knot across the top to insure it's closed up for floaties.

    Get a SS 1/4in hose clamp. tighten it down enough to fit on the pressure relief valve, pull it off, and hook the string from the bag through the ss clamp, and push the clamp back on the pvr. It'll be dangling from it down. No need for any marble or other shit, it'll get wet and sink soon enough.

    Drop the bag in and in one motion you can push the lid in, and up and lock it. Even if it does foam up a bit, you shouldn't lose any.. or much at all in my experience. No mess.

    No tying, no weights, no hop sludge at all. When you are done dry hopping, pull the lid, slide the ss clamp off and pull the bag out of the keg and close it back up.
     
  15. jokelahoma

    jokelahoma Savant (1,162) May 9, 2004 Missouri

    Hmm... so it sounds like it can be done, provided I'm okay with cleaning up some foam. The brew will likely be consumed from opaque plastic cups (party foul, I now, but what are you gonna do?) so I guess a few floaties won't hurt me. I almost take the "can I get the lid back on before the beer explodes out the top" as a challenge. I guess I'll give it a shot. I do think I'll put the hops in several layers of cheesecloth, tie that off, then toss that in a one gallon paint strainer (with marbles) and tie that off as well, just to try to cut down on floaties as much as possible.

    Thanks for the insight, all!
     
  16. jokelahoma

    jokelahoma Savant (1,162) May 9, 2004 Missouri

    I was curious how, without welding, I could suspend the bag from the lid. That sounds like a viable option. Thanks!
     
  17. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    It's easy as hell. I have 3 kegs that are "dry hop" kegs. They have cut dip tubes, screens over the end, and all are outfitted with a SS clamp on the PRV. I never dry hop in anything BUT the keg. Saves time to carb and dry hop, and in some cases, I want more aroma, so I'll change out the spent hops and toss in fresh. I'll use leaf or pellet in this fashion and I never get a single green floatie in my beers that I've yet to see.
     
  18. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    Agreed that's a brilliant idea! That makes the removal before movement easy.

    FYI from experience (my watermelon wheat where where some bits of flesh made it in this time), you have ~10-15 seconds. I wasn't expecting it and lost ~1 inch of foam. If you know it's coming, you'll lose nothing (unless your corny is full to the top - mine was a ~4.8-5 gallon batch that I had pre-carbed)
     
  19. jokelahoma

    jokelahoma Savant (1,162) May 9, 2004 Missouri

    Well, I did it today. Being famous for overkill, I bagged the hops in multiple layers of cheesecloth and tied that off, then dropped that into a one gallon paint strainer (both of which had been boiled and then dropped into a StarSan solution -- like I said, overkill) and tied that off as well. Used the hose clamp to clamp the whole thing onto the lid with the string used to tie off the paint strainer, dropped the bags in the beer, and.... nothing. No foam over. I think that's because it was going to take a few minutes to soak through to the hops, the way I have it all bagged up.

    Anyway, all done now. I'll check it in a couple days and each day thereafter to see how the aroma is coming along, and yank it out before I take it on its 150 mile drive on Saturday. Thanks again for all the suggestions and pointers. As I always say, one thing I love about this hobby is that even after doing it for the better part of 12 years, there are always things to try that I haven't experienced yet. This was a first for me.
     
  20. brkstoutfiend

    brkstoutfiend Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2010 Michigan

    Use whole hops and it reduces the floaties. As far as the tying the bag off I never have and never had a clog and I use a couple of large stainless steel utensils to weight it down a little bit. I've never had an infection either.
     
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