"dry hopping" with whiskey Barrell stave

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  1. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    Ok so I'm going to brew my biggest beer to date. I am doing a Russian imperial stout in a few weeks. Last year a local brewery gave away whiskey barrel staves for homebrewers. Now I know wood chips and such can simulate barrel aging but i have a question. I was planning on putting them in the fermenter after FG is achieved. I was planning on leaving it in there about 4 weeks and then bottling. The plan is to cellar age until next fall/winter. I will sample throughout the year of course.

    My question(s) is this:

    How should I sanitize the staves? I've had them wrapped in plastic wrap for almost a year. I can still smell liquor through the plastic. Should I soak in vodka for a day? Should I weigh them down? If so, what do you recommend? Is 4 weeks in the fermenter too much or too little. Time is no issue here.
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have brewed using oak cubes and my method for sanitizing those oak cubes was to soak them in whiskey prior to adding those oak cubes to the secondary. Perhaps you could do the same for your stave?

    I am curious as to how much of the stave(s) do you intend to use for 'barrel aging' your beer? The aspect of how long to let you stave sit in your beer is dependent upon the surface area of the oak you are using. For example the rule of thumb for using oak chips is to not let them sit in your beer too long since even a small amount of chips (as measured by weight) presents a lot of surface area.

    Cheers!
     
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  3. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Using staves in this way would concern me, unless you have been soaking the whole thing in whiskey. The out side of the stave is where I see the problem. I can't say what would be sanitized.

    I would soak cubes/chips/spirals in said whiskey and go that route.
     
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  4. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    It's not a full stave. They cut them into pieces. My estimation is about 9 inches long, 2 inches wide, and 1 inch thick. I have 2 of them. I was thinking to soak them for about 24 hours in the whiskey and then letting them float as I stated above
     
  5. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    I was planning on soaking them for 24 hrs. I just wondered for how long to sit in fermenter afterwards and the method. And I can't fit it into a muslin bag with weights to keep it from floating.
     
  6. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    Definitely soak in bourbon (longer the better). Not only will it sanitize, but should also add some nice bourbon flavors. I wouldn’t use vodka, you want the bourbon flavor. My guess is 4 weeks might be too long. Try Periodically after about a week or two until it’s where you like. Weighing them down is probably not necessary, but won’t hurt if that’s what you decide. Good luck!
     
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  7. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    Thanks. I'll soak for 48 hrs and then add to beer for 2 weeks and then take a taste. I only used vodka as an example because that's what I use on other things I've added that aren't of the hop variety. I meant bourbon in my head!
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    So that one stave is 18 square inches of surface area (36 square inches total if you use two staves).

    Hopefully some BA with more experience here can advise you as regards optimum contact time but there are a lot of variables here so...
    • Since these staves are previously used oak perhaps a longer contact time is warranted vs. using first use oak chips/cubes?
    • How much influence are you personally looking for from the oak in this batch of beer?
    • etc.
    Cheers!
     
  9. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    Yes. That's why I initially wanted to soak for 4 weeks in order to extract the flavor. I don't want the Bourbon to be overpowering. I want that ever elusive BALANCE...But since I am going to age this for a year, I assume it will fade over time. So I elected to age longer. I am in uncharted territory here, hence my post
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Best of luck with your journey.

    Cheers!
     
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  11. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    My first batch in a 5 gallon barrel, went not as planned. It sat for 5 weeks in it, and it is strong. I hope time will tame it, but it is like taking a shot with hints of imp stout in there. I am sure two to three weeks will land you where you are looking to be. I would soak those guys for at least 48 hours to make sure they are good and covered.

    I got some in staves in a similar way and now they are tap handles for the few beers I keg.
     
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  12. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    First, I would weigh the stave.
    Personally, I use 4-5 oz max for up to 2 months. Really depends on your tastes and just how oaky you want the beer.

    Second, after weighing out the amount u want, I'd cut it into sections 1 or 1.5 inches long. This will allow more contact area for the beer? If very wide, I'd split the stave then cut.

    Third is to soak the pieces for 2 weeks or longer. For me, I just like the wood taste so I boil my wood for 5 minutes but to each their own.

    Last add the oak to the beer and start tasting after 2 week with a sterilized spoon or wine theef

    Have fun
     
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  13. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    Might try my Jack Daniels smoking chips made from their barrels. I was surprised a bunch of them had some char.
     
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  14. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I used these chips once and they worked. I actually left them in the beer too long and had to put up with a strong oak taste (the bourbon character was fine for me but I like strong bourbon and maybe you don't), but I didn't write any notes to make any accurate recommendations for you. Just be aware that it can happen quickly.

    If I had to guess I'd say that I left them in the beer two weeks for a 5 gallon batch. And I'm pretty sure that I filled a pint glass with the chips and soaked them with cheap bourbon to sanitize them.
     
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  15. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    Nice. I was surprised when i opened the bag. I was wondering how the other smoking chips they sell like Pecan and Alder would work. I never hear of anyone using them.
     
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  16. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    It would seem like they would also work but I don't have a clue what taste they may add to a beer.
     
  17. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    I had some commercial apple wood chips (normally for smoking meats) and toasted them in the oven to use in a quart of clear. The results were good.
    Did the same for some american oak spirals that were 'spent'; similar results but not quite as potent as the original, unused spirals.
    Informative web page here with a chart of how different heat levels bring out different characteristics of oak.


    @hojo813 in case it impacts your cipherin’, the surface area of one 9”x2”x1” stave is 58 in. sq. and I’d think, if cut up, it would come close to filling a pint glass.
     
  18. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Lots of wood available, and I've tryed a few. Maple, oak, cherry, ash, Apple, even attempted a beer with black birch wood.

    I did put up some wild Apple wood for. A standard stout , and like ripper, liked it just fine. Ash,, I'd stay away from, did not like that taste at all.

    Lots of possibilities .
     
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  19. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    Sounds good. I like the tap handle idea! I'm converting our chest freezer into a kegerator next year.
     
  20. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    How long did you leave them in the fermenter?
     
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