eBay and Beer Sales

Community. It seems to me different people have different interpretations of what that is, what it means, and how exactly either ought to impact their behavior...if at all.

 

iknoright???

 

I think you missed the point. Hanzo wasn't so much claiming to be some beacon of beer virtuosity. Rather, he was pointing out the hypocrisy of someone complaining about those asshole eBay'ers in one breath, and then admitting to extensive muling at limited releases so that he can hoard it for his buddies.

It's in a similar vein to what many of us have said about the trading community complaining about eBay'ers -- it's two sides of the same damn coin. For one side to try to paint themselves as angels, and the other side as devils...it's the height of hypocrisy.

 

So then how about just doing away with bottle limits then? So what if the first guy in line buys it all, I mean let him do what he wants....

 

I don't think we're going to get anywhere by crapping all over each other.

So... if the state where we were was: "People buying in excess to sell on ebay, resulting in regular consumers not being able to try/regularly purchase/consume beer" -

1.) Where do you think we will be if ebay is successful in stamping out beer selling?
2.) What do you think will fill the vacuum left by taking away one aspect of the gray-market?
3.) Do you think more people will be inclined to drink local beers instead of hunting for harder to find things?

 

Ebay also bans the selling of "compilation and informational items", so these too will probably be removed if reported.

 

My only point was you cannot assume to know the intentions of those in line with you. While you think you are doing a great service by hoarding your bottles you and your mules have acquired for your friends you could be preventing someone that took time out of their day to go to the release from getting a bottle they might *gasp* actually drink themselves.

 

Brown Paper Tickets is the answer.

 

I seem to remember a lot "you don't have to drink every beer". Can I say that to the guy who was too lazy to get in line early enough?

 

He's still making the effort to go get the beer....and he'd likely get it if people only interested in trading or mules didn't take their full allotment and then some....

 

So who should be the overseer who sets the law of the land? Who should be the beer god who tells people what their "fair share" is?

 

You're a dick, he's a dick, everyone's a dick dick. Old McDickald had a farm, e i e i o.

 

so the fact that I purchased 2 cases of Hunaphus this year makes me a hoarding asshole?

 

Nope! Enjoy! If you shut me out in line, I'd just go earlier the next time.

 

If there were bottles limit and you muled to get those two cases, yeah. But you have the right to be an asshole. There's no law against it. But if you go and complain about people selling the stuff on eBay and robbing "real" beer nerds from being able to try it, then you're a hypocrite. That's what this discussion is really about.

 

I got ya, don't really care if people sell beer on the bay. I just laugh at the dumbasses that pay the outrageous prices the ebayers charge.

As far as the HUNA, there was plenty, there was a bottle limit at the initial time 3pm, but you could buy an additional 12 bottles at 730 if you wanted. I left at like 9 and there may have been some left then.

 

That's relative. For me to go to Dark Lord Day, I'd have to take time off of work, pay for a plane ticket, pay for a hotel, pay for a rental car, pay for the beer itself, and any other miscellaneous expenses. Conservatively, I'm looking at $600+ there to score 6 bottles of Dark Lord, and my entire weekend was shot in the process. Or I could stay home, enjoy my weekend, and then just right-click Monday morning and have it all delivered to my door -- and save about $300 in the process.

That's a no-brainer for me. Now if I enjoyed the whole "release party" hoopla, then I'd probably feel differently. But I don't, so I don't.

 

For now; they will be pulled. There's no stopping people from re-listing the auctions. They don't last long up though.

 

There is no way to police general decency. If I come up against a bottle limit I don't call all my non-beer friends and ask them to go get me more bottles....playing by the rules is kind of boring I guess but it is the way I am.

 

Only if you assume Hopslam guy and PtE guy wouldn't have bought any beer if they weren't trading. Without a trade, Hopslam guy would've said I want an IIPA gone out and bought some Hopslam and drank it, PtE guy would've gone out and bought some PtE and drank it. Instead they traded those to each other. Same amount of beer was purchased as if they kept it themselves.

If I'm trading, the beers I'm sending away are beers I would've drank. Instead of drinking them I'm drinking beers I traded for. It's inefficient due to shipping costs, but it's not denying anyone else a beer.