Educate me: IPL vs Pilsner

I guess someone could brew an India Pale Pilsner but when you call it a IPP you will get a lot of bad jokes!

 

Ah, gotcha. I compared them simply because they're both technically pale lagers. It would be like saying how do I boost the ratings of Victory Headwaters? Make it hoppier, or, make it Dirtwolf. They're both technically "pale ales" but no, they're not the same style.

Hoponius should be categorized as an IPL. Would Anchor Califoria Lager LIKELY have a rating higher than a 3.66 if it were a hoppier pale lager (e.g. Hopnonius Union)? My opinion is yes, it would. In fact, to go further, how would Hoponius Union get a higher rating? Make it hoppier, or, make it Kiwi Rising (a so-called "imperial pilsner" or "double IPL"). Which happens to be the highest rated "pale lager" on this website.

A beer won't automatically get a higher rating, but I'd say it's likely. Anchor is rated a 3.66 and is 35th on the "American Pale Lager" list. You'd have to go very far down the list of American IPAs to find one rated 3.66. Yes, the one you listed has a very low rating, but that's not representative of hoppy beers on this website.

If a style can be "hopped up" then the hoppier beer on the list will have higher ratings. Whether it be amber ales (Nugget Nectar), pale lagers (Hoponius Union), American pale wheat ales (Lagunitas Lil' Sumpin' Sumpin'), or German pilsners (Prima Pils).

 

Not off the top of my head. But Victory does use pilsner malts for their double IPA, Hop Ranch. And I believe they also use pilsner malt for Dirtwolf. The website lists Dirtwolf as having "imported 2-row" but I think Starkbier has commented on here that pilsner malt is an imported 2-row.

 

But you see you don't want to compare numbers from different styles. That’s pretty much meaningless on this site. To be meaningful across categories it requires that there be certain constraints on the rating scales that simply aren't used on this site or it requires numerical maniplations of numbers that simply aren't used with ratings on this site. Comparisons on this site are meaningful only within relatively homogeneous categories and are pretty much meaningless in comparing different styles or categories of beers.

 

But the majority of beer geek users have already imposed constraints across styles by privileging characteristics such as intensity of flavor over quality of craftsmanship.

 

It's Americans doing what they do best. Coloring outside of the lines well enough that people like it. That's IT. Traditional styles didn't have access to what we have now, so there's really no point in taking up a debate there.
As far as brewing to tradition? Proving that you can play a song that someone else has already played and can still play is just being involved in a cover band. Make your own music.

 

If that's the way you'd describe something like FW Pivo Pils, then you're sadly mistaken.

 

Which is a perfectly valid reason for not being guilty of the same.

 

It's called capitalism. It's been around for awhile.
Would you like your meat byproduct on Doritos or cool ranch taco shells

 

Absolutely.

 

As I stated in my post: "IMHO, Dupage25 did a pretty good job describing the IPL ‘style’."

Cheers to @Dupage25 !

 

Sounds like the words of a quitter.

 

Not sure what you mean. I like that beer a lot.
Transporter technology is not available yet, so perhaps that what a (TRUE) pilsener should taste like.

 

Look at my local lager breweries lineup.

The Gulo Gulo is the IPL, 6.7% abv / 65 IBU, uses Cascade, Chinook, Columbus, Warrior and Pilgrim hops, so it is not a Pilsner.

The Greenthumb Session India Pale Lager, 4.6% abv/ 41 IBU is in Pilsner territory and is easy drinking like a pils, but has American hops, so it is the lager equivalent of a Session IPA.

Hope this helps.

http://wolverinebeer.com/the-lagers/

 

Again, that is your opinion. But I would wager that if you were to ask 100 people off the street, the majority would lean towards the mustang, not the miata. Right or wrong, that doesn't matter. We are simply talking about numbers here.

That is my point. One person's opinion does not make it the opinion of everyone elses.

 

I have (Notch). Long Play IPL and Left of the Dial IPA are the same base beer. The hops in the IPL obliterate any lager quality whatsoever.

And a Pils and IPL have nothing in common except for the lager designation, and maybe the color. To say otherwise is denial or deceit. You can call an IPL a Pils, but that doesn't make it so (and vice versa).

 

How is one supposed to rate quality of craftmanship? It is an honest question. Suppose I drink, for the first time, a kolsch.
I can't rate it. I've never had one before. I guess I could read what the bro's describe a kolsch as, but that seems unfair. Perhaps I should taste a few more kolschs before I rate one? How many should I drink? Should I visit Koln to get a good baseline as far os what a Kolsche should taste like?


Or should I simply just drink one, taste what I can, and rate it based on my experience?

 

You seemed to be insinuating that disregarding fundamentals is the best and only way to speak with a unique voice, whereas that's what makes that beer so great; it is incredibly fundamentally sound, yet also has a distinctively American take about it.

I also don't think anybody is arguing for more rote clones of any 'true pilsner'; no such thing exists. All of the great ones have their own personality- that's what makes them so memorable. Also, I, for one, would never support such a static view of excellence. But there is a thread that runs through the best versions, so how can you hope to do better without understanding how and why it's there?

And, fwiw, the best jazz players generally view playing standards as the best way to showcase their unique vision. Verbatim covers are anti-music, though, that's for sure.

 

I love the ipl revolution,hope they keep Em coming

 

Here is a question. If someone were to be handed an IPL blindfolded, and asked to drink it and describe the "style" of beer it is, what do you think most people would say it is?