Eliminate O2 in Some Situations?

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  1. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    I normally can get the wort down to 80F no problem year round. If I'm not in the mood to do the prechiller, I then stick the fermenter In fridge and set the controller to the desired temp. By the morning, I can oxygenate and pitch.

    I've been playing around with this the last two batches (4 & 5% ABV) since I was dealing with expired yeast. I've detected no noticeable differences. I decant the starter and transfer a calculated amount of wort (using the minimum amount calculated with Brewersfriend) from the fermenter back onto the yeast in the flask and place back on stirplate. The next morning I oxygenate the wort I and pitch as usual. I realize this would not work with high ABV potential worts.

    Questions:
    Can this take the place of the oxygenation step in the fermenter? Does this allow the yeast ample oxygen to be pitched into un-oxygenated wort? This would allow me to eliminate the step/opportunity for contamination from the tubing and carb stone. If not, can this be tweaked to work on low ABV beers?
     
  2. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Hey, if it works, then it works. Gotta love the experimental nature of homebrewing.
     
  3. WertMaker

    WertMaker Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2009 Oregon

    I would still oxygenate the wort before the yeast pitch.
     
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  4. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I use no O2 in some situations.

    1. When I want to increase esters.
    2. When I use dry yeast and the beer is less than 7% with an adequate pitch rate.
    3. When I forget to use it.
    4. When I can't find my big egg whisk.

    Oxygen isn't a requirement for fermentation. Beer will be made. If you use none and like the result, you have done it right. However, using none can produce a very different result depending on the yeast, OG and pitch rate.
     
  5. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    Just throwing this out there—one of the reasons to oxygenate is that oxygen (and just about every other gas, I think) has very low solubility in boiling wort. So it is essentially oxygen-free at the end of the boil, and I don't imagine it picks up very much in the ~30 minutes that it is cooling down. But if it's been sitting around at room temperature for 12 hours, it's possible that a fair amount of oxygen has dissolved into solution. I'm not saying you shouldn't add some oxygen, particularly for a high-gravity beer, but it's possible that there is more oxygen in solution than you would ordinarily expect.
     
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  6. bushycook

    bushycook Zealot (681) Jan 31, 2011 Virginia

    Don't be mean...
     
  7. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    I chickened out and oxygenated.
     
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  8. WertMaker

    WertMaker Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2009 Oregon

    You are correct that wort sitting around with 14.7 PSI sitting on it will get some oxygenation...
     
  9. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    What are you doing with the whisk?
     
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  10. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    I believe it's an inside joke based on this and this (the joke continues further down in the thread). Joking aside, I think using a whisk is a reasonable way to aerate wort.
     
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  11. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Why wont it work with high ABV potential wort?
     
  12. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
    Pooh-Bah

    That's a stretch simplifying it by saying oxygen isn't required for fermentation. For the anaerobic stage that's correct, but you really want to give the aerobic phase enough time for the yeast to reproduce and build up enough for a healthy fermentation and time to adapt to their surroundings.

    edit: Sorry, not well written. Just woke up
     
  13. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Nothing wrong with using something the size of an oar to whip up some eggs. One 5 gallon bucket at a time. :slight_smile:
     
  14. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Starters are typically best when they are 1.030-1.040 for optimum health. The point of starters, other than building numbers, is to get yeast healthy enough to get pitched into unfriendly environments like high sugar concentration and/or high alpha acid concentrations. I would not try my method described in the first post on a high gravity wort since it can do more harm than good due to yeast stress. If I was collecting a large amount of yeast from a previous batch, that would be different since there is sooooo many more cells than in a typical single or double step starter for a 5 gal batch.
     
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  15. DunkelFester

    DunkelFester Zealot (607) Aug 24, 2004 Pennsylvania

    While I'm sure you know what you're talking about, it's kind of a dangerous thing to throw out there... mostly because the *quality* of the beer that 'will be made' will almost certainly suffer if a n00b reads this and thinks "All this worry about oxygenation is unnecessary?".

    Some of the largest issues people suffer with when starting out are stalled fermentations and under-attenuation - and nearly all of those can be avoided through proper oxygenation and pitching rate. Even if the latter is low (as it almost always is!), enough healthy yeast will grow *if* there's enough dissolved oxygen.

    So, sure. Experienced (or, at least well-read) brewers can tweak D.O. levels and/or pitching rate to tweak the ester profile of their hefeweizen or belgian styles. One more tool to achieve the desired result... but in the vast majority of cases? Oxygen is your (yeast's) best friend in the pre-pitch wort!
     
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