Epsom Salt

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  1. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Why does it seem like most homebrewers shun the use of epsom salt? Does anyone here use it? If you are opposed to using epsom salt, then why?

    I ask this because I've used it sparingly a handful of times and liked the results. I've also noticed it in some quality hoppy craft beers.
     
  2. DunkelFester

    DunkelFester Zealot (607) Aug 24, 2004 Pennsylvania

    It's good for soaking your feet after a long day in the brewery. I've never tried using it for anything else.
     
  3. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Because you generally don't need more Mg in beer than you derive from the grain. Or so I've been told.
     
  4. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    From a nutrient perspective, this is probably true enough. From a flavor perspective, a small amount of epsom salt provides a flavor / mouthfeel that malt can't.
     
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  5. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I don't get the soak your aching feet in epsom salt thing. My Granny swore by it. I've tried it and it didn't do much to soothe my aching feet, but it was somewhat useful for softening my corns prior to excision with a razor blade.
     
  6. LuskusDelph

    LuskusDelph Initiate (0) May 1, 2008 New Jersey

    I've used it for some darker beers. You just have to be very careful, since it can be a powerful cathartic (ie., a real colon blow inducer :grimacing:).

    Also, FWIW, it Epsom is really great for a foot soak (lately, I partake of that at least once a week). The magnesium salts are also known for having a very nice relaxing effect.
     
  7. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I use MgSO4 in all of my recipes. Our water is low in all ions and I use it to get up my SO4 without going overboard with the Ca since I also add CaSO4 and CaCl.
     
  8. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    How much do you use for an IPA?
     
  9. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I think if you use enough epsom salt to create a laxative, the beer is going to taste like crap too.
     
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  10. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    4.2g in the mash, 3.2g in the kettle, 14 gallons post boil.
     
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  11. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    I use it. Sometimes the Epsom helps with increasing the SO4 and keeping the Ca levels where you want.

    It does have a flavor impact, the Germans call it bittersalz.
     
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  12. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    The Germans are right. This might be the first time I've ever said that in the context of beer. :slight_smile:

    CaCl2 = soft / smooth salt

    NaCl = moderate brewing salt. Well, it tastes like salt. The same salt you dump on your fries. Salt tastes good says basically everyone.

    MgSO4 = sharp salt. It enhances the bitterness and lingers nicely on the palate, IF used judiciously. If overdone, it's extra salty metal salt and pairs well with Atomic Buffalo Wings.

    gypsum = dry mineral finish
     
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  13. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Seems like I remember buying Burton Salts one time awhile back...just MgSO4, KCl and gypsum? I think.
     
  14. jimboothdesigns

    jimboothdesigns Initiate (0) Nov 1, 2014 Pennsylvania

    If it does't work out, its not a total loss because you could soak your feet in it.
     
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Martin Brungard discusses Magnesium in Brewing water below:

    “While I agree that malt does supply some Mg, I've seen too many references that indicate small Mg additions can be desirable to the overall performance and flavor of beer. The malt had to be adding some Mg for those other brewers, so I suggest that a minimum of 5 ppm of additional Mg should be included in any brewing water (ie, minimum brewing water Mg content should be 5 ppm). Brewers should be careful and recognize that the desirable Mg range is small and going above 30 ppm is probably going to negatively affect their beer.”

    Below is from How to Brew by John Palmer”

    “Magnesium (Mg+2)
    Atomic Weight = 24.3
    Equivalent Weight = 12.1
    Brewing Range = 10-30 ppm.
    This ion behaves very similarly to Calcium in water, but is less efficacious. It also contributes to water hardness. Magnesium is an important yeast nutrient in small amounts (10 -20 ppm), but amounts greater than 50 ppm tend to give a sour-bitter taste to the beer. Levels higher than 125 ppm have a laxative and diuretic affect.”

    There seems to be a common thought that Magnesium should not exceed 30 ppm and folks should recognize that malt contributes Magnesium.

    Cheers!
     
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  16. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I'm absolutely certain professional brewers have used more than 30ppm Mg and have made several more million dollars brewing beer than Martin B, John P and Jack H combined. :wink:
     
  17. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    My Mg hits 10 ppm with that dosage.
     
  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    And breweries like AB and Miller-Coors make even more money brewing beers like Bud Light, Budweiser, Miller Lite,… but I will choose to brew differently.

    Have a nice day.
     
  19. messyhair42

    messyhair42 Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2010 Colorado

    I've given up using tap water for brewing. I'll use bru'n'water to make a water profile from scratch (distilled water) and I add between 1-3 grams of MgSO4 in the mash or sparge water for a five gallon batch. It may cost me a couple of bucks per batch but I've never had a complaint related to the water i used since then. I also use other minerals, gypsum, bicarbonate, table salt, calcium chloride et.al.
     
  20. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Also works as a laxative, in case it is not your feet that ails you.
     
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