Erlenmeyer flask broke while heating: WTF?

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  1. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    I just had an Erlenmeyer flask crack while heating up some starter wort on the stove. WTF? Anybody else ever had this happen?

    I didn't do anything out of the ordinary. It was a 1.4L starter in a 3L flask. I put it on the burner on the stove and it was just about at the point of boiling when I heard a kind of muffled pop. I went over to see what had caused the sound and realized the flask had cracked and was leaking just a little bit out of bottom. I took it off the stove and let it cool, and eventually poured out the starter. Good thing I was sitting right there or I might've had a pretty serious mess on my hands. As it is, I'm just kind of puzzled and ticked off. What the hell? I can only guess that maybe I cracked it somehow and didn't notice, because I've boiled this thing many times before without problems.
     
  2. Johntomk

    Johntomk Zealot (678) Jul 22, 2014 Tennessee
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    What brand was it? If it wasn't Pyrex brand, then that may be your answer.
     
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  3. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    You're lucky you didn't take a shard of glass to the face, honestly. I would assume that you'd be better off trying to heat with an open flame of some sort, but as said above ^^^ not all glass is tempered the same and the strengths vary.

    As for me, I'll heat wort and cool wort in a pot. I'll use a sink full of cold water and ice cubes to cool the wort quickly. I'll use StarSan on the flask, the foil on top, and the stir bar. I'll add the wort when it's fairly cool to the touch and center the magnet. I place a paper towel between the stirplate and the flask anymore. It keeps noise down and you never know when yeast is going to get unruly and try to get out.
     
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  4. Johntomk

    Johntomk Zealot (678) Jul 22, 2014 Tennessee
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    To elaborate a little....even if your flask was borosilicate, it may not be high quality. Bomex is typically a cheap alternative to Pyrex. Although they are generally the same type of glass, the quality is much different. I've found, that in lab, Pyrex is much more reliable. The cheaper glassware is more prone to tiny scratches that can cause it to shatter when subjected to a sudden temperature change. Don't even get me started with the cookware they call pyrex (it's actually just soda lime glass). Check out science direct out of Colorado. They sell pyrex brand, and it's definitely worth buying over the cheaper stuff.
     
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  5. marc77

    marc77 Pooh-Bah (1,923) May 25, 2001 California
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    Have to ask-- Electric or gas stove? If the former a wire trivet is recommended. I use a 5L "Bomex" with on a electric stove using a trivet. Without it there's far too much stress especially with cheaper glass.
     
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  6. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    Stupid question, this borosilicate glass(I have a Pirex Erlenmeyer) allows to be suddenly cooled after boiling or it behaves like regular glass?
     
  7. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to be using an electric stove. Flame = OK, electric = not OK. Just searched and found this.
     
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  8. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    Even within the Pyrex brand, there are different levels of quality to the glass that makes it more resistant to high temperatures. However, even Pyrex can develop small micro-cracks over time due to exposure to extreme temperature swings. Sometimes these hidden flaws in an old glass apparatus can cause it to crack later on, even though it is not exposed to an extreme temperature swing at that time.

    See http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/pyrex.asp
     
  9. DrewBeechum

    DrewBeechum Pooh-Bah (1,954) Mar 15, 2003 California
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    This will happen. It's the nature of heat resistant glassware. I had a 5L crack along the bottom on me and that was it. Flasks are cool and what not, but they will eventually fail and usually at the worst time. That's when I turned around and started pressure canning my starter wort - mason jars are cheap! And these days a large pressure canner can be had for ~$80-90.

    Plus it's a fuckton faster to prepare a starter that way.

    The Starter Made Easy
     
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  10. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    Thanks for all the replies. Just to answer a couple of the questions posed:

    The flask does not have a brand name on it. Checking the seller's website, they don't give a brand, but they do note (inconspicuously, at the bottom of the page) that it is a "student grade" flask. It is borosilicate glass. It was used on a gas burner.

    Given what others have written here, it sounds like these flasks are much more prone to failure than is generally believed. I think in the future I'll use the "double boiler" method, and I would recommend that to others. Thanks again.
     
  11. spartan1979

    spartan1979 Pundit (970) Dec 29, 2005 Missouri

    I had an off brand flask that cracked the very first time I heated it. No more off brands for me. Just Pyrex and Kimax.
     
  12. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I think many people just like saying, "Erlenmeyer"...it conjures up images of white lab coats and mad scientists/homebrewers. :slight_smile:
     
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  13. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    That is why they make round boiling flasks.

    Didn't anyone learn from Walter White?
     
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  14. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    I thought only Agent Schrader was a homebrewer.
     
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  15. ZDSmith87

    ZDSmith87 Initiate (0) Jul 18, 2014 Massachusetts

    Speaking of this, I just got a real deal stir plate (I work for a biotech company) and wasn't sure what temperature anyone keeps theirs at when they are doing a yeast starter?

    Thanks.
     
  16. PSU_Mike

    PSU_Mike Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Or Heisenberg.
     
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  17. WickedSluggy

    WickedSluggy Savant (1,129) Nov 21, 2008 Texas

    I make big starters. I typically use the big-ass 5000ml flasks (or an actual carboy when making lagers). I buy the cheapo flasks ones from homebrew suppliers, and they aren't borosilicate glass (Lab grade flasks are very expensive). I have used the same procedure for many years and haven't had any problems since adopting it. Basically a double-boiler technique.

    Put the water and extract in the flask.
    Put the flask in a large kettle.
    Add water to the kettle to about the same level as the water in the flask.
    Put some aluminum foil over the flask opening and lid on kettle.
    Heat large kettle to a boil.
    "Steam" starter flask for about 30 minutes or so (measure temperature of starter liquid to ensure it's sanitized).

    Once sanitized, if you want, you can slowly add water/ice to the kettle to reduce temperature of starter to fermentation temperatures.
     
  18. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    I think standard operating procedure is to ferment starters of all kinds at room temperature. You're growing yeast, not making beer, so roughly 70F is fine in most cases.

    If you're not planning to decant the starter wort, I could see doing a controlled temperature starter, especially if it was a particularly large one. But I think most of us just do room temp.
     
  19. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    Given a starter has a much smaller volume of fluid and constant or near-constant agitation, is there some reason you'd need to bother with temperature control, given an average room temp of 70F?
     
  20. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    My understanding is that borosilicate glass can be rapidly cooled (for instance, taking it directly from the stovetop and partially submerging it in cold water) without breaking, unlike normal glass. Obviously, as the OP learned, even borosilicate glass is not indestructible, but at least it is intended to be used in this way.
     
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