Espresso and High Gravity Questions

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by MeisterSmudge, Apr 19, 2012.

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  1. MeisterSmudge

    MeisterSmudge Initiate (0) Sep 11, 2010 Indiana

    Anyone have any advice for using espresso in a chocolate stout. I picked up some black cat from intelligentsia and am dying to do something with it. I was thinking about giving zymurgy's kbs clone a shot and swapping the coffee for the black cat. http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/kbs-clone-recipe-zymurgy-185487/

    Any suggestions.


    Also, I've been having trouble hitting higher gravities without adding a bunch of DME. Any advice on this would be great as well.

    Cheers!
     
  2. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    I've used espresso in beers a bunch, and almost every time its been with Black Cat... that being said, I've found that I need ~10-20 oz of espresso for a 5 gallon batch to produce a noticeable, pleasing coffee flavor.

    I've never used beans at flameout, just because I'm scared to death of picking up astringent, burnt coffee flavors and feel like I can control the coffee flavor better by adding dry beans in secondary (~0.5 oz/gallon for 24-48 hours for subtle flavor/aroma, ~1 oz/gallon for 24-48 hours for more aggressive, in your face flavor/aroma without any associated bitterness). Some people like to add cold pressed, but personally, I personally like dry beaning, as its like a giant cold press using the beer as the water, and doesn't dilute your beer like adding cold pressed or espresso would.

    The KBS clone combines 2 oz at flame out and 2 oz cold pressed at bottling or secondary. If you want to recreate the KBS clone, you can do exactly what they've said and replace with black cat, although since I've never had KBS fresh, I'm not sure how coffee heavy it is compared to Breakfast Stout which is big, bitter coffee.

    Regarding high gravity beers, a little info on your system would help out... e.g. kettle/cooler size, sparge method, etc.
     
  3. MeisterSmudge

    MeisterSmudge Initiate (0) Sep 11, 2010 Indiana

    Thank you!! I'm not trying for a kbs clone but thought that recipe is a good one to start playing with. Do you grind the beans or add them whole? Do you use a hop bag or just dump them in? Sanitize them? And also you initially said 10-20 oz for good flavor in 5 gal and later said 1 oz per gallon would be pretty aggressive. What would you recommend starting with?

    My setup is kind of a mess but usually looks something like this: I mash in a ten gallon igloo cooler, dump the cooler into a kettle with a false bottom and batch sparge. Boil kettle is 15 gallon pot.I usually do the first sparge for about 45 min and second for 30 min. I recirculate the wort a few times before each sparge.

    I usually only end up a few points low for normal beers but significantly low on higher gravity brews.

    Any help would be great! Thanks!
     
  4. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    I grind the beans up coarsely and add them to a muslin bag. No sanitization necessary. I typically do the "dry bean" for 24 hours and taste after then. Don't go longer than 48 hours, or you'll risk picking up vegetal flavors.

    The 10-20 oz per 5 gallons referred to using liquid espresso, whereas the 1 oz per gallon referred to using coarse ground beans in secondary.

    When I had smaller kettles, I would crush a little finer for big beers and include a mash out. Sometimes I'd include an extra batch sparge or two, collect extra and do a 120 minute boil.
     
  5. MeisterSmudge

    MeisterSmudge Initiate (0) Sep 11, 2010 Indiana

    Awesome. Thanks for your help!
     
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