Ever have a run of sub-par brews?

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  1. JoeSpartaNJ

    JoeSpartaNJ Zealot (691) Feb 5, 2008 New Jersey

    2015 thus far for me seems to be an off year for brewing. Not that any of the beers I have made have come out bad, but just not up to my normal standards. I think some brews were just not good recipes, or used ingredients that just didn't work together the way I wanted. Maybe because I think that last year was my best year results wise. I don't know.

    Anyone else have a "bad run" with recipes or brewing in general? Of course this only motivates me to brew better, but its still a little disappointing. Here is a list of the brews so far this year.

    1. American Stout - my first extract batch in a few years as the weather was just too damn cold to brew outside. Surprisingly I really liked this one. Jamil's recipe basically.

    2. Oatmeal Stout - Might have just been to light to go back to back with the american stout above. Needed more roasted barley than what I used.

    3. American Amber Ale - Brewed with strictly Nugget and Summit hops. I tried them same malt bill as a previous Amber ale I made but added and loved but added brown malt. There was a sourness to it, which I now blame on the brown malt (I made a bitter last year that had that same weird sourness...only common ingredient...brown malt, same amount of 1/2lb.)

    4. American IPA that was 50/50 base of American 2 Row and Golden Promise. Bittered with Nugget and late hopped with Citra and Mosaic. Dry Hopped with Galaxy. This beer was awesome. No complaints. My wife would even sneak tastings of it and she is not a IPA fan at all.

    5. American 2 Row/Cascade SMaSH - My version of Anchor Liberty Ale. Beer was just weird. I brewed another all Cascade beer last year and I thought the odd hop flavor was just because I used 1st year whole hops my friend gave me (also had brown malt as stated above.) This recipe, hop pellets from hops union. Same off flavor. I think I may just not be a fan of cascade anymore. The odd flavor was was a cidery hop finish. Drinkable, but also just boring.

    6. Dunkelweizen - This is just from tasting at kegging. I almost always use dry yeast except for saison and the only other wheat beer I made. I used the Danstar Wheat beer yeast. Totally boring. Fermented at 66 for 2 weeks. No clove, no bananas. All the flavor is in the back end and barely noticeable. Mouthfeel is also non existent and mashed at 155. Also, midnight wheat is serious stuff. I used 1/4lb along with 1/4 Chocolate for color. Beer is totally black. It may taste better chilled and carbed. My regulator also just sit the bed, so until I can get a new one, This one will just be cold conditioning.

    Ok......end of rant. Feel free to critique, ask questions.
     
  2. Beerswimmer

    Beerswimmer Initiate (0) Mar 4, 2013 Texas

    2013 sucked for me. I tried about 6 times to get a patersbier with brett and was not satisfied. I also kept trying new recipes that ended up like yours. I spent 2014 being super happy doing almost all tried and true(by me) recipes that turned out great and locked down 2 others even with a 3 month layoff to study for a test. 2015 has been all tried and true and is going great. I might do a few 1-offs this week and next, then back to the good ones.
     
  3. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Nothing you say makes me think you brewed any of these beers poorly. It just sounds like you are scrambling to do things a little differently to see if you like them and you have run into things that aren't your favorites.

    #1 and #4 sounds like you liked these. #4 sounds especially good to me.
    #2, 3, and 5 sounds like you know why you don't especially love these.
    #6 I used that yeast once and hated it. Blah blah bland. You probably have too much dark malt in there for the style (I'm assuming a 5 gallon batch) .

    You branched out and learned about some things you realize you don't like. Success!
     
  4. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I had a really bad run in 2011 and 2012. Took me a long time to recover. In mid-2013 I finally caught the brewing bug again and started to make kickbutt beers again. It happens. My problem really was that I got too lazy so I was experiencing contamination and autolysis. Also I had problems with every beer going sour due to scratches in my plastic buckets. I switched over to glass and no problems anymore.
     
  5. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Not a bad run year wise. But style wise. I've tried an ESB and have been "bitterly" dissapointed.... sorry for the bad pun. Until my last batch I've had 3 failures. It's all a learning experience. I'd say a bad run now leads to better beer in the future. Hold your head up!!
     
  6. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I'm experiencing one as we speak, stretching back to when I moved to this apartment a year and a half ago.
    1. Water here sucks. Very hard. I need to start buying RO and building, but that's another expense and another step to think about in brewing. Works well for stouts, at least.
    2. Apartment stays hot in all seasons. In previous apartments, I would do the bulk of my brewing in the fall, winter, and early spring, and just do a few saisons once it got hot. Utilities are included in the rent, so it doesn't matter where I have the thermostat, everybody else is cranking theirs, keeping my apartment in the upper 60s. I use a swamp cooler year round, but I know that everything is fermenting at the upper end of its range, at best.

    One day, I'll have a house with an RO system and real fermentation chambers and whatnot, but in the meantime, this kinda sucks.
     
  7. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    There was a time that I had 4 out of 6 corneys that I didnt' want to drink in my keezer. I suppose that counts. I threw a couple of parties and had to brew 5 more beers in 6 weeks. Problem solved.
     
  8. JoeSpartaNJ

    JoeSpartaNJ Zealot (691) Feb 5, 2008 New Jersey

    Looking back at my records, I missed one.

    I also made a Maris Otter/Willamette SMaSH Pale Ale - This one wasnt bad, just a straight forward, easy drinker.
    I think SMaSH beers are good for learning flavor profiles, but miss something in the long run. I don't mind single hopped beers so much, but beers with just base malt or only one base malt just don't hit the mark for me.
     
  9. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    For #4, you should try dropping the 2 row and just use the GP as base malt
    For #5, before you decide you don't like Cascade, I would try a different base malt. May I suggest GP :slight_smile: You might also try Cascade from a different harvest year.
     
  10. JoeSpartaNJ

    JoeSpartaNJ Zealot (691) Feb 5, 2008 New Jersey

    I did a Golden Promise Saison last year and loved it.

    As for the Cascades, I bought them from my LHBS which has a very high turn around. They uses hop union. Like I said, I used Cascades from 2 different sources and got the same result.
     
  11. mugs1789

    mugs1789 Zealot (611) Dec 6, 2005 Maryland

    This happens to me sometimes. Sometimes if I'm brewing in the summertime, I get lazy about fermentation temp control. Sometimes I try brewing new styles or with new ingredients and discover that I don't like them much even though my process was sound.

    When that happens, I go back to a reliable recipe of a style that I know I will enjoy, like an oatmeal stout or a pale ale heavy on the cascades.
     
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  12. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Since a run implies 2 or more sub-par batches in a row, my answer is no. It's never happened.

    When I make a flawed beer, it's generally easy enough to fix by blending it with a pro beer. I'm currently enjoying a botched batch of rough boozy homebrew with Great Lakes Commodore Perry blended 50/50. It's even better than the same homebrew blended with Shock Top :confused: which was surprisingly decent.
     
  13. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Currently having a bad run in my brew closet with mash and brew house efficiency.
    The only process change has been a new source for malted grains.
    Wondering whether there might be 50 shades of grain.

    Do some LHBS sell their grains @low ... low ... low prices b/c they're purveyors of lower grade malts?
     
  14. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Turn around goes only so far with hops because of the annual harvest. Are you aware of commercial beers that you love that are all or predominantly cascade. If not, you simply do not love this hop. No big deal. Move on to the next latest and greatest hop. Seems like maybe you did with your mosaic citra galaxy #4 beer. Frankly, I like the idea of cascade beer to recalibrate my understanding of hops and brewing. From time to time, I'll buy a commercial example for this purpose.
     
  15. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Worst run of beers I ever had were all from some brewery in St. Louis. :rolling_eyes:

    Everybody has a bad run at some point. At one point I had a string of infected batches. Threw some equipment out, thoroughly sanitized the rest. Problem solved.

    When trying to nail down a recipe, one is bound to miss on an attempt or two. Fortunately there are a lot of rather indiscriminate palates out there...
     
  16. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    The best part about St. Louis having a macrobrewery is that it forces some of the microbreweries to make some great stuff. Urban Chestnut, Perennial, 4 Hands, and Schlafly all make some great beers. You have to go to Schlafly for theirs, and you have to get seasonal Chestnut.
     
  17. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    My first few beers after a hiatus were pretty terrible.
     
  18. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Generally my beers are pretty average to below when I either freelance or rush to bottle/keg. A sound process goes a long way
     
  19. mugs1789

    mugs1789 Zealot (611) Dec 6, 2005 Maryland

    Try a sixpack of SNPA to reset your palette.
     
  20. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    I agree that there is no reason for problems due to process (typically), but sometimes a combination of ingredients just doesn't work out. I tried making a "chocolate-orange" wit once. All chocolate and no orange. And the chocolate clashed with the yeast. Oh well. That brew was so far from what I was hoping for, I basically gave up on trying to improve it. Now on to a "chocolate-mint" wit...
     
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