Everything Deep Ellum

Discussion in 'Southwest' started by Ford, Feb 2, 2013.

  1. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Sep 21, 2012 Texas

    Like everything on this site? :rolleyes:
  2. H0rnedFr0gs

    H0rnedFr0gs Mar 12, 2012 Texas
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    Honestly it just appears like you are going out of your way just to dog them right now. If you have nothing productive to say please leave the thread. I understand plenty of people around Dallas have their own reasons to dislike their beer or people that work for them and this isn't the place to discuss those things.

    I guess what I'm saying is try to keep it productive, even if you don't care for their beer.
  3. WickedSluggy

    WickedSluggy Nov 21, 2008 Texas

    The first release of Deep Ellum IPA was excellant. However, I believe that they were unable to secure adequate Amarillo, so they changed it. I have not cared for the new hops schedule quite as much. The brightness of Amarillo just works so well with dank fruity hops like Citra and Summit - hard to replace. Also, the first bottling of the IPA had problems. There were also some phenolics in the Rye Pils at whole foods and then again in Alt. The altbier actually came out of the keg looking as cloudy as a hefe, and it tasted like a "belgo" hybrid. On the other hand, Festivus, the black IPA, was excellant this year - twice as good as the previous release which had basically been an overhopped Stout (good though).

    I didn't know that they were doing Dream Crusher again this year. That's great. It's Interesting, at one of the tours, I was lucky enough to taste Dream Crusher out of the tank prior to its second dry hop addition. It was exquisite at that point. Strangely, once released, it was really more like a young barleywine to me - very different from the sample that I had earlier. I am actually cellaring one of the bottles, probably for a couple years. Those were filled by hand, I believe, I hope it will age well.
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  4. Danielbt

    Danielbt May 4, 2012 Texas

    Reverse-homerism is a thing too. Familiarity breeding contempt, eh?
  5. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Sep 21, 2012 Texas

    Not going out of my way, just staying on the topic of the thread: "Everything DEBC". I guess I define "everything" differently than you do. It's not like people don't critique the brewery/beers in the other "Everything..." threads here.

    I didn't realize BA was only for discussing positive reviews of beers/breweries.
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  6. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Sep 21, 2012 Texas

    I like other local breweries a lot.
  7. mattisloco

    mattisloco Feb 13, 2007 Texas
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    I am doing the same thing. If they bottle any this year I hope to grab one and open them both next year around this time.
  8. H0rnedFr0gs

    H0rnedFr0gs Mar 12, 2012 Texas
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    I clearly stated that all I wanted was for you to be productive. You are actively trolling and it looks like pretty much everyone else agrees with that assessment.

    There is only one beer deserving of "torture to my mouth" and it comes in a pepto colored bottle.

    Feel free to disagree all you want, again and in bold letters. STAY PRODUCTIVE. You can read thru my various posts and know for certain I express my displeasure with brewers and distributors ad nausium so please quit with the whining about not being able to express a different opinion..in my experience plenty of great conversation can come from disagreements.
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  9. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Sep 21, 2012 Texas

    You're still just trying to define the thread based on, again and in bold letters YOUR OWN DEFINITION. Not all internet discussions are going to follow your preferences.

    I said I didn't understand why DEBC gets the praise it does for its beers. People chose to engage the subject. I discussed it back. Other people raised points about issues with the brewery. If I had attempted to troll I would have been a lot more explicit about what I didn't like in a much more saucy manner.
  10. kmello69

    kmello69 Nov 27, 2011 Texas
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    I guess I'd like you to define what you mean by "productive" - do you mean to say positive? Criticism can and is productive as well. Why can't he have a counter-opinion? And if this isnt the place to discuss those things, where is? We don't have to be fanboys and just accept everything these brewers produce without criticism. If he doesnt like their beers, it doesnt hurt anyone else for him to say so.

    There has been plenty of slamming of S.Austin Brewing, among others, in this forum, so I dont see how this is any different. (just my .02c)
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  11. H0rnedFr0gs

    H0rnedFr0gs Mar 12, 2012 Texas
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    I don't know how to express my opinion in more concise language than I already have. With that I'm unwatching this thread until people lighten up, drink a beer (in this case a DEBC IPA ;))

    If he doesn't like DEBC cool. Serious I don't care one iota either way because that fool is simply trolling and anyone with half a perspective can see that. Hopefully a Bro can come clean up this thread because its a half page of dribble with everyone showing their metaphorical D's and mine is its own white whale.
  12. Ford

    Ford Sep 8, 2012 Texas
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    I started the thread.. and of course I have no problem if someone doesn't like their beer... it's fine you don't like it... and good you stated that opinion, but there probably isn't any more to say until you try another.. which most likely isn't going to happen.. understandable.

    I clearly can't be a homer.. because I'm from Houston... it's been years since I've been anywhere near the Deep Ellum area of Dallas...

    I've had two of their beers now... and I liked both..not love.. but I'll certainly drink again and try some of their other offerings.... . guess there is something wrong with me maybe.. :D
  13. Lutter

    Lutter Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    One of us! One of us! One of us!
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  14. markaberrant

    markaberrant Jan 9, 2006 Saskatchewan (Canada)

    I'm from Regina, Saskatchewan, just spent 3 days in Denver on my way down to Dallas, and just attended the DEBC brewery tour this evening. The IPA is fantastic, it stands up to the best I have tasted. The other DE beers I tried tonight were all interesting and well made.

    Sometimes when I read these forums, I'm embarassed to say I'm a beer geek...
  15. TapThat

    TapThat Nov 8, 2012 Oregon
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    Gooble-gobble! Gooble-gobble!

    Anyone tried the Cherry Chocolate Double Brown? Curious to hear how it turned out.
  16. markaberrant

    markaberrant Jan 9, 2006 Saskatchewan (Canada)

    I'm not a huge fan of cherry stouts in general, but this had an excellent nose, and was solid all around once it warmed up and swirled some of the carbonation out.
  17. mattisloco

    mattisloco Feb 13, 2007 Texas
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    I was told there is much more cherry and chocolate in this years vs last years.
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  18. canadianghetto

    canadianghetto Oct 15, 2011 Texas
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    I heard they recently decided to add more hops!
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  19. mattisloco

    mattisloco Feb 13, 2007 Texas
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    Got any Kyle's Killer Lemonade or a bottle of Goldslick?
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  20. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    Awesome! Now I want to watch Superbad!
  21. mattisloco

    mattisloco Feb 13, 2007 Texas
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    Someone called me "Mr Off Topic in the Southwest Forum" I'm just livin' up to my name.
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  22. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Apr 11, 2012 Texas


    Deep Ellum makes beer - phwew, back on topic.
  23. lonestarbev

    lonestarbev Oct 18, 2006 Texas
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    Deep Ellum is not bottling the Cherry Chocolate or the Dreamcrusher this year.
    They will do so in the future, but from what i was told, there will be not bottles this time around. : (
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  24. UtisTheLaw

    UtisTheLaw Jul 26, 2012 Arizona
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    I believe they only did 500 bombers of Dreamcrusher last year. It was more of an experiement than anything. My guess is that it will be like with the CCBS, and your best bet will be to get a growler fill somehwere.
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  25. gottabetweed

    gottabetweed Jul 3, 2008 Texas

    Listen to this man. He has Ace Frehley as his avatar. He is obviously an authority on all things kick ass.
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  26. UtisTheLaw

    UtisTheLaw Jul 26, 2012 Arizona
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  27. TxUltraRunner

    TxUltraRunner Aug 16, 2012 Texas
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    Had Cherry Chocolate last night and I didnt get any cherries or choclolate - all I got was coffee, in your face coffee. Lips of Faith was much better IMHO.
  28. champ103

    champ103 Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    Not to pile on, though I think Karback and Deep Ellum have been my favorite Texas breweries over the last year or so. Deep Ellum Rye Pilz is amazing as is Farmhouse Wit. Their many stouts, and Wealth & Taste (being one of my favorites last year from any brewery in the country). I actually really like their Blond as well. They have had a few duds (like any brewery), but overall I think they are excellent.
  29. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Sep 21, 2012 Texas

    I expected people to disagree. I haven't had any of the stouts but I did have each of the others you listed and didn't like them. I wanted to like them, I tried several, they aren't for me.

    I'm glad other people enjoy local beers even if I don't like those particular beers.
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  30. GregSVT

    GregSVT Jul 1, 2009 Texas
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    Deep Ellum has issues. For anyone blindly defending them you obviously haven't bought many of their bottled/canned product recently. I bought a lot of their bottled IPA, which I love, over the course of a few weeks after it was released and it tasted great for a while. After that it had major carb issues and tasted nothing like it was supposed to. I opened one up about 3 weeks ago and it gushed out of the bottle and when I drain poured it the beer was all foam. I had to drain pour another 4 bottles from the same sixpack that had the same issue. The beer I could drink tasted earthy and nothing like it should. I sent them a facebook message detailing my findings but they never responded.

    Fast forward to this week and I bought their canned IPA hoping they had fixed the issues. This was different. It tasted nothing like the previous IPA. It was extremely bitter and not as fruity and balanced as previous iterations. It tasted like a completely different beer. I just opened another one to make sure and it's the same...super bitter and an off smell I can't place. Almost soapy. They seem to have not only bottling/canning issues but also recipe issues.

    I've never had a problem with their beer on draft so I may just stick to that while they work out their QC issues. Crazy how Lakewood can put out quality bottled product but these guys have issues and they've been around just as long. I feel horrible for including the bottled IPA as extras in some trades earlier this year before I learned of the issues. I was going to put some of the cans into a package for next week but I can't do it in light of what I'm tasting from this can.

    For the record I have liked most of what they put out on draft. Wealth and Taste is greatness and I have bought a lot of their IPA. I'd like to see one of their reps speak to these problems...we'll see if Tait or someone else responds.
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  31. Ford

    Ford Sep 8, 2012 Texas
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    I have a growler.. and I get cherry more in the smell...and some chocolate in the taste... I think it's good. Would have again.
  32. Ford

    Ford Sep 8, 2012 Texas
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    Hmm.. being in Houston I have only had their beers on draft.. and all have been fine... it isn't that unusual to see bottling problems though in the early years of breweries.. it is another ball game.
  33. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    Considering you have a growler, I'd say you'd have it again.
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  34. Ford

    Ford Sep 8, 2012 Texas
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    ha...... that is a good point... I guess I should have said.. would fill again...
  35. mattisloco

    mattisloco Feb 13, 2007 Texas
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    That's not good news at all. I got a 6pk of cans from Specs and another from Broadway. Both were fruity excellence, it sucks yours weren't.
  36. r0nburgundy69

    r0nburgundy69 Jan 27, 2012 Texas
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    ISO: Kyles Killer Lemonade (KKL) FT: rare whalez
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  37. UtisTheLaw

    UtisTheLaw Jul 26, 2012 Arizona
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    Had Dreamcrusher last night, and it was pretty damn good. If you get a chance to try it this year, it will only be around for a short period.

    They did also have a slim of their Santa Quad at Common Table, apparently the only keg to leave the brewery. For 12% it was surprisingly smooth. Primary and secondary fermented in Rye barrels, and also barrel aged.
  38. jsboots21

    jsboots21 Jan 19, 2009 Tennessee

    Anyone looking to let a beer live up to its name can check out the Libertine Bar's Facebook and has a chance to vote to try "Vintage Dreamcrusher." I'm astounded there are votes for a year-old IPA, especially considering it's going up against the freaking king of TX beers, Real Ale Mysterium Verum Barrel Aged XV Anniversary Stout.

    Where have all the beer geeks gone?
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  39. air

    air Mar 28, 2007 Texas

    That's a no-brainer right there. I'm baffled at how anyone would be interested in trying a year-old IPA.

    My experience with DEBC mirrors everything GregSVT and reverseapachemaster said. I tend to only try their beer on draft and frankly, even then the IPA is still all over the place. I admit Darkest Hour was enjoyable, but nothing personal, there's better beer out on the market.
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  40. mattisloco

    mattisloco Feb 13, 2007 Texas
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    This IIPA is thought to turn into something like a barleywine. If you've never taken a high alcohol IIPA and aged it I highly recommend. I have a bottle of Dream Crusher from last year I hope has turned into something beautiful, I plan on opening it around my birthday in a couple of weeks.
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