Everything Southern Star

Discussion in 'Southwest' started by Ford, Jan 25, 2013.

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  1. Clonies720

    Clonies720 Oct 24, 2012 Texas

    Southern Star Black Crack in bottles at Sugar Land flying saucer. $20 a bottle. Not actually a bad deal considering bar markup. They also have Rodenbach Grand Cru, which I'll get later tonight. Buffalo Bayou Ginger Citrus IPA is on tap. I liked it for the most part, but only tried a taster. Cask of rodeo clown is on too. Might try that when I come back later tonight
     
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  2. mrkmrk

    mrkmrk Jun 25, 2011 Texas

    Awwwww mannnn. That shit was delicious!

    (Black Crack, that is. Totally understand all of the "buttery" comments, now, and that's not a bad thing at all.)
     
  3. Clonies720

    Clonies720 Oct 24, 2012 Texas

    So that's 2 reports of "buttery-ness" diacetyl then?
     
  4. Cablejelly

    Cablejelly Sep 6, 2010 Texas

    I think he's using buttery as in smooth?
     
  5. Clonies720

    Clonies720 Oct 24, 2012 Texas

    It would make more sense to just say smooth in my mind. Since diacetyl is described as buttery, and often perceived as a flaw in some styles, while welcome in others. If someone describes a beer as "buttery", then I'd immediately think diacetyl.
     
  6. mrkmrk

    mrkmrk Jun 25, 2011 Texas

    Hm. I don't think it was a unique thing, but I'm hard-pressed to recall another beer that had this quality. I didn't *at all* feel like it was a bad thing. Mostly, as cablejelly said, I would call this beer smooth. It had an almost oily, mouth-coating feel to it, which is why I called it buttery. I'm really not sure how I could distinguish between whether it was due to diacetyl, though.
     
  7. Cablejelly

    Cablejelly Sep 6, 2010 Texas

    Diacetyl is a byproduct, cancerous in huge amounts, and used as an artificial butter flavoring in a lot of things. In medium amounts it is used to flavor popcorn and in large amounts it's used in butterscotch candies. When present in beer, unless it's acceptable for the style (bourbon barrel aged stout is not), it's a flaw that brings about actual butter flavor. It has nothing to do with a creamy smooth texture. Don't confuse umami (savory) with buttery ;) or the BA purist will crucify you. LOL
     
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  8. thebigyellowjoint

    thebigyellowjoint Nov 5, 2012 Texas

    What styles would be acceptable? Scotch ales perhaps?
     
  9. Clonies720

    Clonies720 Oct 24, 2012 Texas

    Not scotch ales. Check BJCP style guidelines. Come to think of it, I think the Victory Prima Pils I drank at the bar today might have diacetyl. I remember a distinct, unpleasant, lasting mouthfeel that reminded me of fake butter. Guess I wasn't really paying attention to the beer and more to the delicious pretzel with spicy mustard and bratwurst.
     
  10. Cablejelly

    Cablejelly Sep 6, 2010 Texas

    Yeah, I guess possibly. There's preference, AHA rules, Commercial rules.... just depends. Scotch ales, some belgians, maybe an experimental or colab style that incorporates it intentionally would be the only time I'd expect to taste it and even then, maybe not so much on a mass commercial scale. Local/regional breweries get away with a little more than say some of the bigger craft brewers.

    Also, in huge amounts it will be oily but I just don't see that in mrkmrk's bottle tbh. wasn't this all aged in the same barrel and/or blended before bottling? I'd think something that strong would have been picked up on by everyone by now.
     
  11. Cablejelly

    Cablejelly Sep 6, 2010 Texas

    http://www.bjcp.org/styles04/Category9.php
    low diacetyl, and/or a low to moderate peaty aroma (all are optional). (scottish light, medium, export) and strong scotch should be low to none

    Not quioting this to be a dick, I just had to verify to make sure I wasn't passing on bad info after your post :) This is the 2004 edition but I'll look for the update to see if that has changed ;)


    2008 same http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/style09.php
     
  12. mrkmrk

    mrkmrk Jun 25, 2011 Texas

    Yeah, all right. None of that business in the beer, then. I'm pretty damned confident.
     
  13. Clonies720

    Clonies720 Oct 24, 2012 Texas

    My bad. I skimmed it actually and missed it the first time. Thanks for the correction!
     
  14. r0nburgundy69

    r0nburgundy69 Jan 27, 2012 Texas
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    i didnt really pick up a butteriness per se, more of a creamy component even with a slightly thin mouth feel
     
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  15. mrkmrk

    mrkmrk Jun 25, 2011 Texas

    Yeah! There was something thin about the mouthfeel, but not in an unpleasant way.
     
  16. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    It's not as thick as BCBS, but it's got way more feel than BB1. It's a pretty tasty brew. It definitely still has a lot of Bourbon heat to it still.
     
  17. WickedSluggy

    WickedSluggy Nov 21, 2008 Texas

    What's BB1?
     
  18. Cablejelly

    Cablejelly Sep 6, 2010 Texas

    http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/337/86866/?ba=PhatAtUT

    An "on prem" only bottled brew. Brewed once in such limited quantities that Saint Arnold couldn't keg it nor could they distribute it to every retail location. Ultimately, they decided on releasing it to on-prem accounts only (51% license restaurants/bars) to be consumed at the establishment. While Saint Arnold does admit that places who could normally sell bottles should be able to let you buy it to go, many places didn't follow through with that (Whip In for example). Prices were $7-16/bottle depending on how much the retailer gouged. Many people walked off with bottles anyway :)

    /babble
     
  19. WickedSluggy

    WickedSluggy Nov 21, 2008 Texas

    Thanks for the info. I appreciate hearing about that. Didn't hear about it and it looks like it was recent - late last year.
     
  20. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Jan 20, 2010 Texas
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    Any available in Austin?
     
  21. kmello69

    kmello69 Nov 27, 2011 Texas
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    Any what?
     
  22. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Jan 20, 2010 Texas
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    Lol. Any.
    Black Crack. Sorry, sometimes I just think I'm drunk.
     
  23. mrkmrk

    mrkmrk Jun 25, 2011 Texas

    There was quite a few at Hancock Friday night, but it's probably gone :\.
     
  24. Lutter

    Lutter Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    CM Westgate had it yesterday.
     
  25. mrkmrk

    mrkmrk Jun 25, 2011 Texas

    Yeah, none left at Hancock :(.
     
  26. tigrstylz

    tigrstylz Jan 10, 2012 Texas

    Yep, three bottles spotted at cm westgate @10pm
     
  27. mattchow

    mattchow Jun 24, 2012 Texas
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    had another one last night for my birthday, fuxk iloveit! so happy I have 15 more lol.
     
  28. bccocx

    bccocx Jan 13, 2007 Texas
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    15?!?!?$? You chow'd the hell out of that one!
     
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  29. Daemose

    Daemose Oct 3, 2011 Texas
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    You should see how much he posts to twitter that he doesn't even mention on here! lol
     
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  30. kmello69

    kmello69 Nov 27, 2011 Texas
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    Damn. Guess I need to follow him. Live vicariously! :)
     
  31. duff247

    duff247 Nov 16, 2010 Texas
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    Had one a few days ago. Split it and still could barely finish the glass. Tasted like straight butter. Could have poured it on popcorn. Seriously no bourbon or base beer to taste...
    Hopefully the bottle I have is not the same.
     
  32. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    I can get a creaminess, but not butter. Either the bottle was bad or your taster is because it has a very present bourbon presence.

    That was in no way a dig. Just saying that you should have gotten Bourbon.
     
  33. UHCougar12

    UHCougar12 Feb 21, 2011 Texas
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    I cracked one on Sunday, and did a side-by-side with regular hatchet. I would say it was slightly creamy didn't smell nor taste like butter, but it had a very "oily" mouth feel. I also didn't get a whole lot of bourbon from it. It was good, glad I was able to get a few.
     
  34. Cablejelly

    Cablejelly Sep 6, 2010 Texas

    I'm gonna have to crack another and check again. The types of oily buttery descriptions coming out now are most likely bacterial issues and not a diacetyl fermentation issue. I'm probably just being paranoid due to the RC issues I've had but if this starts to develop bacterial infections that bring on diacetyl notes, this certainly isn't for aging.
     
  35. rainerschuhsler

    rainerschuhsler May 17, 2012 Texas
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    Having already tried one bottle that I thought was very good, I still don't think this beer is suitable for aging. It is by no means a "hot" beer. The bourbon is pretty tame compared to most other BA stouts. I think it's about as good as it gets. The two-year-old "OG" Burbon Barrel Buried Hatchet I had at the Hay Merchant anniversary was definitely past its prime.
     
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  36. jbeezification

    jbeezification Jun 6, 2012 Texas

    I'll never understand why people would want to age a barrel aged beer. The barrel fades and you're left with the non barrel aged version of the beer.
     
  37. Cablejelly

    Cablejelly Sep 6, 2010 Texas

    I agree with this. I didn't mean laying it down for years, intentionally. I was more talking about maybe having to consume this asap before something sets in to ruin it. It's not unlike me to buy something and just have it hang around for 6-8 months before I finish it all.... I guess aging wasn't the word I as looking for.

    This is probably something I should enjoy post haste before it's un-enjoyable. :)
     
  38. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    Or not that at all...
     
  39. FUNKPhD

    FUNKPhD Apr 13, 2010 Texas

    It seems you don't know what you're talking about.
     
  40. StArnoldFan

    StArnoldFan Dec 28, 2012 Texas
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    Can't agree here, I understand your logic but I just had a 2011 and 2012 Central Waters BA Stout side by side and the 2011 blew the 2012 out of the water. No pun intended
     
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