Experience with higher ABV and brett/bacteria?

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  1. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    I've got a beer sitting at around 1.038, down from 1.118. I have read that Brett. will make it up to 12% ABV, right now I am at around 10.7%, kinda close to the 12% mark so maybe my bugs are done though the beer is still very young. Anyone have experience using brett or bugs to take a beer higher in alcohol to a more complete attenuation?
     
  2. youradhere

    youradhere Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2008 Washington

    I have limited experience, but what I do know is that the bugs will slowly work at it until it reaches near single digit terminal gravity. I have a sour brown ale that started at 1.062 last year, and is at 1.010 now. I also just whipped up another batch for later blending that started at 1.082. With the higher OGs, I would imagine that it would take longer to ferment, and final gravities would not be as low as say, something at 1.040. I would say take another gravity reading in two or three months to see if it is done. Other than that, any other more experienced sour guys out there wanna chime in?
     
  3. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    higher abv tends to produce more harsh/phenolic compounds from the brett, and it will take much longer to mellow and taste good

    I might be missing the mark here, but is your beer already bugged or are you just thinking about it?

    Btw, I dunno about anyone else but I dont really like the new forum posts, I liked it when the replies were directly under the posts
     
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  4. DaveJanssen

    DaveJanssen Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2008 Germany

    Winemakers are worried about brett so it definitely goes into the mid teens. I've tasted fortified wines (~18-20%) that had gone sour. I don't know if it was bacteria or wild yeast but it was definitely off. I don't have any brewing experience with brett at such high gravities but it is definitely possible (and can be quite good - Oerbier reserva at 13%).

    I am guessing that you have already inoculated it with brett and bacteria. Is this right? How old is pretty young?
     
  5. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    Every summer I brew a strong saison, around 1.095 OG. Half gets consumed as is, half gets a dose of Orval dregs and 6 months in the keg before tapping. given time I think that brett will have no trouble consuming a lot of that excess sugar I don't have the numbers in front of me but I think the brett gets it down to around 1.010
     
  6. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    Young is something like 3 weeks. I'm not worried yet, the beer is meant to be an old ale of sorts though very non traditional.
     
  7. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    Already bugged, but I'm not getting any harsh flavors yet. Let's hope I don't but I've got nothing but time for this beer.
     
  8. DaveJanssen

    DaveJanssen Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2008 Germany

    Alright, then think you are probably fine. General brett fermentations often slow down towards the end anyway. What all is in the beer for fermentation. Saccharomyces and brett? Anything in addition?
     
  9. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    Bug Farm IV
    Lambic Blend
    Belgian Stout
    Irish Ale
    Scottish Ale
    West Yorkshire Ale

    That is all I can think of at the moment.
     
  10. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I did a Belgian Strong that finished @ 1.021 that I hit w/ DME, priming sugar, and lacto, pedio, Brett. Finished @ 1.002 after a year. I also have a Wee Heavy @ 8% ABV, 1.021 FG that got infected and it is actually tasting fairly nice. Oakshire brewed a bitter (highly hopped) Imperial Stout that got infected w/ Lacto @ 10.5% ABV.
     
  11. olympuszymurgus

    olympuszymurgus Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2009 California

    Wait, what kind of beer did you put ALL those strains in?
     
  12. trevorjn06

    trevorjn06 Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2010 Washington

    With everything that's in that beer you'll have no problem getting down fairly low, and sour. Give it a year or two.
     
  13. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    15.0 lb Pilsen Malt
    3.25 lb Brown Malt
    2.0 lb Yellow Corn (Pregelatinized Flakes)
    1.0 lb Medium Crystal Malt
    1.0 lb Dark Crystal Malt
    9.0 oz Belgian Aromatic
    7.0 oz Belgian Biscuit
    3.0 oz Carafa Special® TYPE III
    3.0 oz Goldings (5.0%) - added during boil, boiled 90 m
    2.0 oz Goldings (5.0%) - added during boil, boiled 15 m
    1.0 ea WYeast 1084 Irish Ale™
    1.0 ea WYeast 1728 Scottish Ale™
    1.0 ea Wyeast 1581 Belgian Stout
    1.0 ea Wyeast 1469 West Yorkshire
    1.0 ea WYeast 3278 Belgian Lambic Blend™
    1.0 ea East Coast Yeast Bug Farm IV

    I don't think it has a style. Unless someone sees something I don't. Tastes good so far though.
     
  14. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Not trying to be an ass at all, actually interested to find out... why?
     
  15. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    Why what? I had old ale in mind, though mine is intentionally soured. No other specific reason though.
     
  16. Thorpe429

    Thorpe429 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,705) Aug 18, 2008 Illinois
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    I'm guessing he's referring to the 4 different types of non-souring yeast.
     
  17. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    I had two of them, the other two sounded interesting.
     
  18. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Looks like a KKKK to me.
     
  19. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    Do you have a recipe for something similar? I found a KKKK on your site but it was around 7% abv.
     
  20. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    I prefer to go KKKK rather than one less K. I've examples from 1900 - 1910 which are stronger and contain brown malt.
     
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