Experimental wheat....help please!

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  1. antlerwrestler19

    antlerwrestler19 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2010 Nebraska

    I'm planning to brew a fruity refreshing wheat to accomidate the warming weather as well as fulfill a request from my girlfriend. Here is my recipe thus far:

    7lbs American 2 Row
    7lbs Red Wheat
    2lbs Flaked Wheat
    1lb Rice Hulls

    .5oz Sorachi Ace @60 minutes
    .5oz Sorachi Ace @15 minutes
    .5oz Sorachi Ace @ flameout. (All pellet)

    American Wheat Ale yeast

    Mash @152F
    Sparge @168F

    Here's where my real question arrises: I want to make a wheat beer with pina colada characteristics to it -addition of pineapple and coconut are what I'm going for but when is the best time to add them? Flameout? Secondary? Ratios? Any advice is appreciated as I've never added fruit or the like to my brews before.

    Thanks,

    Kyle
     
  2. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    My recommendation, if you want pineapple - ditch Sorachi Ace. Grab Falconer's Flight and add that instead. I did an American Wheat last year using 7 oz Falconer's Flight and it was a Pineapple Bomb (also added a whole pineapple in secondary with the dry hops as well). I'd say do 1 oz of FF @ 15-20 and 1-2oz FF @ FO (bitter to whatever IBU you want on top of that), and add the coconut in secondary (or even add some coconut rum for the fun of it). I am doing something like this for my wife using a Tripel w/ FF and the Belgian Wheat strain f/ WY and doing a little coconut rum and oak aging to mimic a drink we had 10 years ago on our honeymoon.
     
  3. antlerwrestler19

    antlerwrestler19 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2010 Nebraska

    Forgot to mention this is for 5 gallons.

    Anyways, I've never uses Falconer's Flight before I was going with the Sorachi simply because I figured the lemony characteristics would pair with the pineapple well. I will definitely go with the FF hops though. I figured I would bitter to about 20-25 IBUs. An entire pineapple in the secondary sounds about right - cut up, pureed, or what? Also, would you recommended toasting the coconut before secondary or just throw the meat straight in?

    P.S. - The coconut rum idea sounds awesome. I might have to do a second batch and add some light toast coconut rum soaked oak spirals for some extra mmpphhh.
     
  4. aficionado

    aficionado Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2011 New Jersey

    Agreed. You'll get dominant lemony-ness from using a lot of Sorachi Ace on its own.

    Perhaps adding some fresh pineapple juice or concentrated pineapple syrup during the end of secondary fermentation would be a better option. You have to be careful with real coconut since it's quite oily. And the amount of rum you would need to add to impart decent coconut flavor may also end up ruining the beer. Coconut water is a viable option, but it's not that flavorful. I'd say stick with fresh pineapple juice/syrup.

    Edit: Schlafly 08' Reserve Barleywine had great toasted coconut flavor, but I think it got those subtle, but obvious notes from the malt or the barrel.
     
  5. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    I had thought of trying coconut water as the main source of liquid in a beer or even as 10-30% of the total liquid, but when its fermented out, its gross. :slight_frown:

    Another pineapple option... Fresh chamomile also gives major pineapple flavor, and has the bonus of not being fermented out.
     
  6. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    FF is definitely going to give you lots of pineapple. My wife has a nifty contraption that cores and spirals a pineapple and I used that (sanitized it and the knife) then cut it into chunks straight into the bottom of the bucket. I racked the beer on top of the pineapple and let it go for 2 days. I then added 2oz of FF to the bucket in a mesh bag for DH. After 1 week in secondary I racked out from under the hops and fruit into my bottling bucket and bottled. It was awesome. Just don't eat the pineapple afterwards, very bitter.

    Can't comment on how to do coconut. I have yet to use it in a beer, but will probably do it this fall in a Porter (unless I end up adding it to the Tripel).
     
  7. MrGreengenes2

    MrGreengenes2 Initiate (0) Aug 9, 2008 Indiana

    Not to thread jack but does anyone have good advice on using toasted coconut flakes? I was going to do so for a porter I have in the primary right now. I understand that they can ruin the head and no not impart strong flavors. Would I be better off just using extract?

    As for the pina colada wheat I would love to hear how this goes. I am surprised to hear that pineapple flavor comes through so well. Also these FF hops sound really good, might have to grab some for a pale.
     
  8. antlerwrestler19

    antlerwrestler19 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2010 Nebraska

    I plan to use toasted coconut in this beer but am still fooling around with the idea. I figured toasting the coconut long enough would sap out the harmful oils that would be detrimental to head retention. I think, if I go with the toasted coconut of course, that I am going to add them right at flameout and throughout whirlpool. Right before I started working at the brewpub, where I'm currently an assistant brewer, they had a coconut porter that had toasted coconut added during whirlpool - it had no affect on head retention and left a nice subtle flavor and aroma in the beer.
     
  9. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    A little Malto-Dextrin over rules oils. I put the zest of 6 oranges in a stoit and MD @ bottling and the head was great.
     
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