Experimentation and Batch Size

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by ssam, Dec 11, 2015.

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  1. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    I brew 5 gallon batches. I feel like I usually decide against brewing strange or experimental beers because I'm afraid of getting stuck with 5 gallons of something that didn't work.

    I could brew smaller batches for those ones, but then I feel like I wasted my efforts ending up with so little, and what if its amazing?

    Because of this, I'm basically a boring brewer doing the safe thing all the time.

    Anyone feel this way or have good ways to overcome it?
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  3. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Split batches

    1) two yeasts, same grain bill is an easy variation. This is how I discovered that if I had to I would be happy only brewing with 3724 for the rest of my life :slight_smile:

    2) dry hop with different hops is also easy.

    3) have just started down this route, but half the batch stays "clean" and half gets brett or even go lacto/pedio
     
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  4. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    If you are not brewing the kind of beer you like, then you are doing it wrong.
     
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  5. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I'm the same way. when I go out on a limb, I'm either doing a split batch or a pati-gyle. If I line up all my ducks correctly, a second mash and second boil adds about 90 min to an otherwise 4 hour brew day. If you brew half of something amazing, you're rebrweing a 5 gal batch down the road.
     
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  6. pants678

    pants678 Maven (1,374) Jan 26, 2009 California
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    Try 1 gallon recipes. 8-10 bottles is plenty for me when it comes to a single style/recipe. If something turns out fantastic, go ahead an do a full 5 gallon batch.
     
  7. AlHounos

    AlHounos Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2015 California

    If your all-grain brewday is 5+ hours and you have 3 vessels, a plate chiller, pumps and so on to clean, I can understand why you wouldn't want to make less than 5 gallons.

    On the other hand, if you BIAB (or no sparge or extract) and your brew day is 3-4 hours and you only have one kettle to clean, making small batches is much more feasible.

    Personally, the recipe making and experimenting is why I love brewing, so small batches make a lot of sense for me. My standard batch size is 11 liters (3 gallons). I have no plans to go bigger or to switch from BIAB.
     
  8. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I do this with every batch, three different treatments for 15 gallons total.

    Other ideas I've used:

    - Different ferm temps
    - Different pitch rates
    - Fruiting/Oaking/other additives
     
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  9. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Nothing wrong with being a "boring" brewer. I tend to like "boring" beers, so I am a boring brewer too. I only recently brewed my first beer above ~1.070. I almost exclusively brew pale ales, IPAs, brown ales, milds, and blondes. If I'm feeling frisky I use a hop variety I'm not familiar with. On the rare occasion I go really crazy and add tinctures to kegs that have 1 or 2 gallons left. If I'm having a craving for a different style, I just buy a commercial example. It's more economical for me that way.
     
  10. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Have you come to any conclusions about different pitch rates? Does it matter for the beers you have done this with?

    I like the different temps idea, I've never experimented with those.
     
  11. DrewBeechum

    DrewBeechum Pooh-Bah (1,954) Mar 15, 2003 California
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    Unless I'm brewing with my Zymatic, I rarely brew a straight all the same batch. Let's say I'm brewing 10 gallons - almost without exception 5 gallons will be one thing and the other 5 will be something entirely different!

    Denny and I are going to be covering a lot of this sort of stuff on the podcast and thanks to Jack for promoting the book! (Our website: http://www.experimentalbrew.com/)
     
  12. CarolusP

    CarolusP Zealot (590) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    I just recently started homebrewing, and thus far I've just followed kit recipes. Once I start to experiment, my plan is to just take existing recipes that I know work, then altering them just slightly (tweak the specialty grain bill slightly, or change the timing or type of one of the hop additions, etc.) This way I figure that even if something doesn't turn out for the better, by starting with something that I know works, the beer should at least still turn out drinkable. I figure I can just continue to get more adventurous from there.
     
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