Extract after the cold break...beer ruiner???

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  1. okie_beer_nerd

    okie_beer_nerd Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2013 Oklahoma

    so a couple months ago, we had a bit of a brain dump and forgot to put the malt extract in our wort (hurtle all your internet stones at this time). we didnt add untill after the cold break. in a panic, we frantically added the extract to the pot, dissolved and transferred to the carbuoy. My question here is: will adding the extact after the cold break affect our final product? i have heard of homebrewers doing this with no problems but i wanted some other input.
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    So you steepd grains, added hops, and boiled without adding LME/DME?

    Did you sanitize it by boiling/pasteurizing before adding? If not, there's a slightly higher risk of infection. Also, your hop utilization was probably affected.
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Edit: just reread the 'frantic' part. I'll assume you didn't pasteurize. :slight_smile:
     
  4. WickedSluggy

    WickedSluggy Savant (1,129) Nov 21, 2008 Texas

    That's like the time I made meatloaf and forgot the meat. Everyone kept on wondering why it tasted like scrambled eggs on toast.
     
  5. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I did something like this once. I did a partial mash with about 6 lbs of grain (4.5 lbs base malt, 1.5 lb of specialty malts). Well when I was done, it looked, smelled and tasted good, so I started the boil. When I got to the "check original gravity" stage, my OG was 1.030 (I was expecting 1.060). That's when I noticed the big bag of DME sitting on the counter. :rolling_eyes:

    Cue slight panic. That's when I decided to do a small, separate boil for the DME. I boiled it in about 1.5 gallons of water, then added it to the partial mash wort. My volume was affected a bit (slightly on the high side), and the OG was slightly low (presumably from the extra volume). But other than that, the beer came out fine. This incident had an unexpected positive event: it showed me that my partial mashes were efficient and I was doing them right.

    You should have done a separate small boil for the extract, cooled it, then added it. But alas, your beer is likely to be just fine anyway. I wouldn't panic too much, and since there's nothing you can do now anyway, RDWHAHB.

    And hey, everybody's had a failed batch at one time or another. It happens. Brew another. Continue life.
     
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  6. HopNuggets

    HopNuggets Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2009 Connecticut

    You said a couple of months ago... That means you could just taste it at this point and tell for yourself and let us know instead of having everyone guess... I'm sure it won't taste as good as it could have tasted and it's a lesson learned to be organized on your brew day.
     
  7. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    This a thousand times.
     
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  8. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    I still occasionally brew a pot of coffee without coffee. It's actually a good thing because the color of the resulting pot of hot water is a disturbing reminder to clean the coffee maker.
     
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  9. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    One day it'll be coffee-brown and you won't realize you forgot the coffee till... :grimacing:
     
  10. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I think if you used Liquid Malt Extract you might still have something drinkable. Let it go in primary for a month or so and taste it. If it tastes mostly like beer, bottle it up. If it tastes horrible feel free to dump it. I've seen a few people post that they've added malt extract near the end of the boil. From my understanding it's not ideal, but you still have something drinkable. Maybe you'll fall into the same vein.

    If it' Dry Malt Extract I'd think it's still pretty sanitary. I'm not sure if they would pasteurize it the same way that they would package liquid malt extract, but it's safe enough not to spoil in its package for a year or longer without spoiling. If you used DME, chances are better for an infection, but I'd still ride this one out.

    Let us know either way how the beer goes. It'd be good to get some feedback here.

    Somebody else can have my stone. :slight_smile:
     
  11. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I used to add the liquid extract over the length of the boil, in portions. This was to prevent scorching and to keep from killing the boil (I was doing it on a stovetop back then, so this was a concern). DME I'd mix it in up to three segments.

    However, it all got boiled at least ten minutes.
     
  12. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    just wait until you run vinegar through the system...i've had it look like it was coffee coming out.

    To the OP, I add honey, maple syrup, sugar, candy syrup and a multitude of other ingredients that were not pastuerized to my actively fermenting beers. I would feel better if i were you that the wort was already actively fermenting when I add them the LME, but I wouldn't worry about it...just don't make it a habit.
     
  13. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    <speechless>
     
  14. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    ... it tastes like MN / ND coffee. That swill is thin & awful. :slight_smile:
     
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