Extract Fruit Lambic

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  1. Srkolodn

    Srkolodn Savant (1,050) Dec 26, 2013 New York
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    Hey Fellas,

    I want to brew an extract Rasberry lambic, and age it perhaps on oak chips and use real fruit in secondary. Id like it to really get Puckericiously sour. Id like to brew it now and have it ready for next summer.

    Does anybody have a recipe for somehting for this adventures?
     
  2. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Get some ECY01 or ECY20 then keep the rest simple.
     
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  3. atpca

    atpca Pooh-Bah (1,652) Jun 10, 2013 California
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    6.25# Pilsner Malt Extract
    3.5# Wheat Malt Extract
    .5oz Aged hops @ 60min

    + Your choice of bugs
     
  4. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Lambic Framboise:

    Lambic yeast/bug blend
    Extract + non-malted grain/starch
    Don't purge anything...lots of headspace in secondary...temp semi-wide open...get lazy
    Raspberries next Spring

    Good luck :slight_smile:
     
  5. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Not a problem. Do a blend of 2/3 Wheat DME and 1/3 Pils DME to whatever OG you want. Steep some Carapils, or add MaltoDextrin, or even just add 1 T of flour to the end of the boil. 2.5oz aged hops, and a 2 hour boil. Pitch some ECY blends, or one of the WY or WLP blends with dregs from your favorite commercial sours. Toss in some French Oak and let the whole thing ride for 9 months or so before adding the fruit.
     
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  6. atpca

    atpca Pooh-Bah (1,652) Jun 10, 2013 California
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    I've been sticking with a standard 60 min boil, using all malt (60% Belgian Pils, 40% malted white wheat). WorksForMe(tm)
     
  7. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Yeah, no doubt. I did the higher amount of Wheat to Pils DME than yours because most Wheat DME is already partially Wheat and Pils, I think he could get away with pure Wheat DME (s/b 60/40). The longer boil is to drive off some of the cheesy aromatics from the aged hops if they aren't old enough (aged hops should have no real aroma at all, aged beyond the cheese). The Dextrin/Starch since the OP wants "Puckerlicious sour". The more unfermentables the more puckerlicious it will get, straight starch will feed the Pedio only driving the Lactic Acid, where Dextrins will feed Lacto, Brett, and Pedio.
     
  8. atpca

    atpca Pooh-Bah (1,652) Jun 10, 2013 California
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    It's kinda amazing, I've been doing all my sours with a big bag (2lb) of Northern Brewer that I bought back in 2009 and have treated quite poorly since. No detectable hop aroma in the beer but MAN when they hit the boil it always spooks me! Big wallop of resin aroma.
     
  9. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I have some Fuggles and Cascades just chilling in the garage in an open ziplock baggy for a few years now. Not quite old enough yet though. Will be using them probably next year in the fall when I do another Lambic.
     
  10. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I've got some Belma, Chinook and some Cascade leaf in the garage open to the heat and air. Still in vac bags, but I cut them on the corners and have them open in a rack. I'm curious to see how the 100+ temps in the garage and the vicious swing of temps treat them. They were the previous years crop, and I never used them all. Shame on me!
     
  11. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    @FATC1TY you wasted Chinook, I disown you. Wonder what a hop that potent will do even with age.
     
  12. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Eh, part of the reason I tried it. I didn't use much Chinook last year, until late in the year, and I ended up liking the profile of this years Chinook better. I tried to use it up in mash hopping, but I had around 4-5 ounces left, so I said to hell with it!
     
  13. Srkolodn

    Srkolodn Savant (1,050) Dec 26, 2013 New York
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    Any particular type of flour?
     
  14. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I used cake flour, anything would work.
     
  15. Mag00n

    Mag00n Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2008 New York

    The wyeast / white labs blends will not give op a 'Puckericiously' sour beer
     
  16. Srkolodn

    Srkolodn Savant (1,050) Dec 26, 2013 New York
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    Ive heard of people leaving the lid of the carboy open overnight. Would you reccommend something like this or is that completely unecessary. I dont want to risk infection, but maybe for a sour?
     
  17. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    A couple things on that approach. Typically you would leave it hot and open in the kettle, then let it cool naturally overnight, then move to the carboy. This allows the thermo bacteria (Lacto) to build up in there prime desired temp range of 95-120*F. I have done it this way, and it is still again almost 2 years later. I would not recommend doing it this way again, took too long to start for my preferences, but it turned a corner, just waiting for it to peak (low funk) or for something to blend it with. There are other ways to do "spontaneous" inoculation that are safer, faster, and more reliable.
     
  18. Srkolodn

    Srkolodn Savant (1,050) Dec 26, 2013 New York
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    @jbakajust1 Thanks for your help with all this. When in the process do you add the dregs and the maltodextrin.
     
  19. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I would add the dregs up front with the initial pitch of yeast. You can add the maltodextrin in the boil since the Sacc strain can't eat it.
     
  20. Srkolodn

    Srkolodn Savant (1,050) Dec 26, 2013 New York
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    At what point would you throw in oak chips/ have you soaked them in wine or anything of the sort for this style of beer?
     
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