F.X. Matt to Acquire Flying Dog

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  1. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Being a local Frederick native, sad to see Flying Dog go but they closed down the taproom during the pandemic and never reopened it. They also dodged a major bullet a few years back (about the time when Stone was expanding as well) when they were looking to build an even larger brewing facility by the Frederick airport but backed out of that. I still really like most of their original classics and some of the new offering have been hit or miss.
     
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  2. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    The fact that Matt bought the brand but not the brewery suggests that FD could always make a separate deal to sell the brewery to another company as a turnkey operation since most of the brewing and packaging equipment would be too big for this operation "...FX Matt will maintain some sort of presence in Maryland. The company said it is seeking a location for an innovation brewery and taproom in Frederick."
     
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  3. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Ah I've heard of (but never seen, let alone tasted) both of those brands. I wonder if they are considering acquiring more brands?
     
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  4. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    They've picked up brands over the years - as noted in articles, they own the Buffalo NY "Flying Bison" brand, and I'm pretty sure they bought some small brewery/brand a few years back in the Adirondacks (?) and they were the contract-brewer for the New Amsterdam brand (which pre-dated Samuel Adams) and they owned that brand for a few years in the 1990s when the original owner sold. And they also bought another upstate NY brand many years ago and used it as their discount brand (99 cents/sixpack sort of beer) - the infamous Fort Schuyler.
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I really don't know but I would expect they would do a 'wait & see' after digesting Flying Dog.

    The craft beer market, well the entire beer market, is very tricky now. I have read many articles advocating that younger folks are more inclined to drink non-beer products (e.g., Ready to Drink cocktails) so perhaps acquiring more beer brands is not the best investment right now?

    Cheers!
     
  6. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    If a brewer's sales are down, it makes sense to add proven brands from other companies to their portfolio to maintain the brewery's efficiency by continuing to brew nearer to capacity. Obviously, the cost of the brands is an important consideration.
     
  7. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I was thinking that it may be a good time for a large brewery like F. X. Matt to pick up brands because the difficulties in the crowded market might make current owners eager for an exit.
     
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  8. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, you never know - well, until a decade later after the results are in when it's explained in a book or an article. Lots of cases where a brewer overpaid for a brand and it brought down that company, too. (Falstaff's purchase of the Ballantine brands, which included paying royalties, resulted in them being taken over by the notorious brewery-killer Paul Kalmanovitz). And sometimes the brand might be worth more than the entire company, which could come with outstanding bills and loans, employee responsibilities (<rare in "craft", of course).

    It sounds like Matt and Flying Dog, since they already had a relationship, may have arranged a simple, relatively friendly "personal" deal without other companies getting offered the brand, etc. Contract-brewers tend to know more about the contractee's business than an outside company might.
     
  9. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    ….good point, there are a lot of top quality US craft brewers I’d love to see either expand or relocate into the existing Flying Dog brewery space. It’s a pretty large square footage of space from various breweries I’ve visited.
     
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  10. AlfromPA

    AlfromPA Zealot (613) Dec 9, 2021 Colorado

    An interesting case of a contract brewer (at least in part in the case of Matt) expanding as it acquires other brands. One thinks of City Brewing, which started out as a pure contract brewery and has since expanded quite a bit. City was initially, I think, what was left of Heileman after it went under and the plant was acquired by the employees. Contract brewers can obviously do quite well if they know what they're doing, or completely flop if they don't (eg, Pittsburgh Brewing, which was the original brewer of Sam Adams, then went bust).
     
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  11. lackenhauser

    lackenhauser Pooh-Bah (2,721) Dec 10, 2002 Maryland
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    New Amsterdam was a great beer in its day. Their seasonal for Xmas was always top notch.
     
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  12. milkshakebeersucks

    milkshakebeersucks Pooh-Bah (2,392) Feb 10, 2020 Maryland
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    Any that come to mind?
     
  13. lackenhauser

    lackenhauser Pooh-Bah (2,721) Dec 10, 2002 Maryland
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    Thanks!! I don’t really think of Flying Dog first when I think of MD and craft beer. And I was always under the impression that when Frederick Brewing built that brewery there’d be plenty of capacity for whomever might buy or need it. Wonder why a large portion of beer was being brewed by Matt?
     
  14. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    It does seem strange that over the last 5-10 years you’d figure Flying Dogs sales in US would have taken a hit with the addition of so many brewers. I think I heard at one point that Flying Dog was one of the top craft exporters out of the US so perhaps they truly expanded sales but just into emerging markets with less competition.
     
  15. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Way back when I was a young one, one year on vacation my folks let me pick a few things to do. I chose the baseball HoF in Cooperstown, and a brewery tour at Utica Club/Matt. Nice tour that ended in a fancy bar room, the folks each got a couple beers and I got a couple root beers, and a never empty bowl of pretzel nuggets. I was 10.

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  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    But is now 'busting out' HUGE!



    Do you think they will sell enough beer (i.e,, Iron City beer) to recoup this cost to build out this new, HUGE regional brewery?

    Cheers!
     
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  17. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Nope, just a "relationship with Lake Placid Pub & Brewery".:rolling_eyes:
    City, after the collapse of Heileman and then Stroh (which bought Heileman in the mid-90s) leaving the industry, initially had several of its own brands - notably Lacrosse Lager (said to be the same recipe as Old Style) and other brands like City and Kul. They later sold the brands to another company (a local distributor IIRC) to become exclusively a contract-brewer.

    City now is owned by new group of investors, including some owners of Pabst which announced 2 years before the deal that they were moving their contracts from Molson Coors to City.
     
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  18. woodchipper

    woodchipper Grand Pooh-Bah (3,735) Oct 25, 2005 Connecticut
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    Haven't thought about the Saranac brand in a long time. Do I understand that FX Matt has been contract brewing?
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yes, F.X. Matt contract brews beers.

    One example is Flying Dog beers.

    Cheers!
     
  20. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    They have also brewed for Cape May Brewing, some of their Shandys, to my knowledge, were brewed there. Both The Grove and The Bog have had Cape May and FX Matt on their label in the past.

    I’m not sure if it’s still the case but a few years back I know it was.
     
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