Favorite Belgian pale yeast?

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  1. Jettpower

    Jettpower Devotee (323) Feb 9, 2007 California

    What's everyone's favorite yeast to use for Belgian pale ales? 550? 515?
     
  2. bulletrain76

    bulletrain76 Maven (1,311) Nov 6, 2007 California

    Define "Belgian Pale Ale"
     
  3. bulletrain76

    bulletrain76 Maven (1,311) Nov 6, 2007 California

    In any case, Probably Achouffe or Westmalle yeast.
     
  4. bulletrain76

    bulletrain76 Maven (1,311) Nov 6, 2007 California

    But damn, Orval yeast does make the best Belgian Pale Ale in the world, so there's that to consider. Never actually brewed with that one though.
     
  5. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    Best way to replicate Orval these days is to use Wyeast 3522 Belgian Ardennes (aka WLP 550) as the primary yeast, and to either use Orval dregs or Brettanomyces bruxellensis (from either WL or Wyeast) as a secondary yeast, or at bottling.

    To answer the OP, that would be my pick. Wyeast 3522 at 68F for 3 or 4 days, then adding dregs of Orval 4 days in, and letting it sit in primary for 3 months, followed by a couple of months of bottle conditioning.
     
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  6. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I've had good results with Wyeast 3522 and that used to be my stock answer. However, after meeting a Belgian homebrewer and tasting the results of Wyeast 3544 (Witbier) in a pale ale that is my new "go to" yeast for Belgian pales. Also, don't be afraid to mix strains.
     
  7. CASK1

    CASK1 Pundit (951) Jan 7, 2010 Florida

    I recently used the White Labs 570 Belgian Golden Ale yeast for a Saison, Wit, and Dubbel, and I loved them all. Very versatile yeast with a nice balance of fruit and peppery phenols. The Dubblel in particular is my favorite of the three.
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Assuming you mean BJCP type Belgian Pales (Category 16B), Wyeast 1762 (Belgian Abbey II) has made my best ones.
     
  9. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Wyeast puts out the Bastogne yeast as a platinum series yeast. I've never used it, but that, w/ a supplementary bret pitch like you describe, is probably the best way to replicate Orval.
     
  10. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Currently, the Achouffe strain, WY 3522, is my favorite. But 16B is a style I have only made 2x, a few months ago with WY 3522 (very nice beer), and once with WLP 560, more than 5 years ago, when I was prone to not making starters and perhaps making some other mistakes too.
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The brewer’s yeast used to make Orval is WLP510 which is a seasonal:

    “WLP510 Bastogne Belgian Ale Yeast

    Seasonal Availability: Jan - Feb

    A high gravity, Trappist style ale yeast. Produces dry beer with slight acidic finish. More ‘clean’ fermentation character than WLP500 or WLP530. Not as spicy as WLP530 or WLP550. Excellent yeast for high gravity beers, Belgian ales, dubbels and trippels.”

    My preferred yeast for making Trappist style ales (and BSDA) is Wyeast 3787 (the Westmalle strain). I have never made a BPA with 3787 yet but I have a recipe formulated for a Cranberry BPA which I intend to brew with 3787 next spring.

    Cheers!
     
  12. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    That's true, and I have used it to do an Orval clone, but unfortunately that Brastogne yeast is not currently available. So, as stated in my original post, 3522 + brett b is your best bet right now
     
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  13. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Jogging my memory... I tried to make something Orval-like with 3522 and Orval bottle dregs... because the Bastogne yeast was not available... and it was good.:slight_smile:
     
  14. messyhair42

    messyhair42 Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2010 Colorado

    I've made a handful of Belgians, and some american styles with Belgian yeast, but by far my favorite is Wyeast 3655 Belgian Schelde in a pale ale. It's a seasonal release so as soon as I can get it I'm making the pale recipe again.
     
  15. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    I like WY3787 myself, but then again I have never used a different strain. If you want to experiment I would suggest a split batch with 2 different pitching rates, you may be surprised. I did that with 3787 for a triple once and found that 400K cells/ml/plato favored esters while 750K cells/ml plato favored fruity esters.

    On the topic of Orval you can have a very Orval like beer in 2 months if you grow up dregs and use them as the primary fermenter. I have not gotten the grain bill exact yet but using dregs grown up to proper pitching rates works really well.
     
  16. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I prefer WLP 530 for Belgian Pale Ales.
     
  17. nolabrew

    nolabrew Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2010 Louisiana

    Another vote for 3787. When fermented at about 62°F it hits all the notes I look for in a Belgian ale.
     
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