Feedback: ISO:FT posting privileges

Well, that's more content for the person to be judged on. If you think they are just spamming to trade, then maybe that's something to take into account.

 

Id say 90 days seems fair.

 

I think more than 30 days should be needed to jump into the trading forums. I believe most folks join this site for information about places and beers and not so much reviewing anymore; and newer members are likely wallflowers and just getting used to the dynamics and forum flow.

Thus, I think their focus is not on trading much for the first month or so ... A little bit of a longer time would give them some time for education/decorum once they think they've caught the trading bug.

My vote would be 90 days.

I know there are exceptions to my above assumptions, but I still believe my logic is correct.

 

I think posts need to be approved to count towards the ISO:FT privilage.

 

I can say, from other forums, it's pretty obvious when someone is posting JUST to get access to a limited forum.

 

For reference, the old site was a 2 week waiting period I believe.

 

90 days and 50 posts.
Want the right people in the trading forum. If it means patience, it means patience and learn from people that are good at this. Walk before ISO'ing 2009 BT

 

I think 30 days is good, but I'd say that the minimum # of posts should be a little bit higher.

 

30 days is plenty of time. But 3 posts? I'd bump that to at least 10 quality posts.

 

Normally I'd agree, but I think in conjunction with a waiting time it would work.

 

I agree. What I meant by my comment was they are easy to spot and moderate, so they are effective! Combined with a waiting period should work well

 

There was a karma level tied into being able to post for a while.

I like the idea of longer. As the bros have hinted, they have thought of just scraping the trade forum in general. I do not think the trade forum should be the main focus of someone on BA (at least right at the beginning). I think a long time frame forces them to become a member, and not just someone who wants to tick beer like they are Pokemon cards or flip beer for walez.

 

30 days and 3 posts are fine. You don't want to make it too difficult to where a new user doesn't want to use your site.

 

A lot of people have posted this sentiment, but since you stated it so well I'm going to pick on you. Why? I can't see any reason that 30 days won't fix this but some longer amount of time will. A minimum wait before being allowed to post doesn't guarantee someone will even use the site! I'm not convinced it'll even influence if they use the site. Someone can just make an account and then set a reminder on their calendar if they don't want to do participate.

Besides, there's nothing to stop someone from BMing in response to posts in ISO:FT, where they can do whatever they want. So it's really, really unclear to me that posting is the problem and that longer waits will fix it.

 

Well, you have to balance the probability of a good person saying "fuck this, I don't want to wait forever, I'm going somewhere else" against the probability of a bad person being converted. (Or whatever the full good vs. bad is.) I don't really think a marginal improvement in the odds of someone being a good trader outweighs the (in my view) really high odds that a long wait is viewed as needlessly punitive. And I don't think that looks favorably on 3-month waiting periods.

Maybe I'm just cynical, but I really don't think that increasing the wait is going to result in any increase in sense of community, if anything I see it working the other way.

 

Can someone explain to me what exactly a waiting period does? If people are halfway intelligent and make sure they're treating first time traders with care (i.e. make them ship first, provide a pic for proof, etc.) then there aren't going to be any problems a waiting period would fix. There needs to be a burden of responsibility on everyone else here to be smart. If you get burned by a first time trader because you didn't take the necessary precautions, part of that is your fault.

 

Well, maybe. But a few caveats:

1) Someone might come on "just to trade" then get drawn in to the other stuff.
2) Someone might come on for everything, but then be turned off by being a second-class citizen for a long period of time.

I'm not pretending to have an answer here, but I want to point out that the length of the waiting period can clearly be too long, and that people don't seem to be considering all of the ways its length can cause problems. My gut says that much over a month is too long, but I could certainly be wrong.

 

it isn't about the vets treating the new people fair, it is about the new people learning how things work. Also, it makes sure the point of BA is not just for trading, but rather a beer community that happens to have trading. If you are only interested in trading (which will have a higher % of people who view beer as commodity) there are plenty of other sites that have a sole purpose for that.

 

Thanks Mordor for clearing up my point so well.

I don't know how long is best, maybe 30 days is plenty maybe more is needed, time will tell. The main thing a time frame does is:
a) teach those who want to trade how the process and specifically how BA works
b) weed out those who only care about trading and nothing else, as I stated above, they most likely are ones to treat beer as a commodity
c) weed out the ones without patients and willingness to wait, honestly I bet those that would not wait for a short time frame are majority of users that would not be beneficial in the long run to BA.

 

I don't mean treating them fair, I just mean being intelligent about who you're trading with and making sure they recognize that as new members they need to do their part. Seriously though, the best way to learn how things work is to actually trade, even better with a vet who can guide you through. There are plenty of great traders on here that should be happy to help out a new member get their feet wet.

If you only come here for trading, I don't see what the big deal is. It's a gateway into the beer community, and you'd be surprised how much people branch out into the other parts of the site because they're pleased with the experience. We should be welcoming, not exclusionary.