Feeling defeated

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by happyhoppyhobby, Apr 22, 2016.

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  1. happyhoppyhobby

    happyhoppyhobby Initiate (127) Apr 18, 2016 Texas

    Last night I tried to brew my first batch of beer that didn't come from a box. I actually went to my local home brew store and got these ingredients one by one. I was super excited to start it up even though I knew it wouldn't get done until early this morning, due to how busy my day was yesterday afternoon and evening. I ran into a few problems and I'm feeling very nervous about the batch, almost to the point of scrapping it. Tell me if what I had going on is grounds for scrapping:

    1. I hit the smack pack when I started, thinking I'd be able to add it before the 5 hour mark. But in the end it sat for too long, like almost 9 hours, the last hour I had it in the fridge but I don't know if I killed it or not.

    2. Everything went fine with the wort creation, even the transfer to my primary fermenter. Noticed something got burned at the bottom of my kettle though, figured that might not be good.

    3. Took me literally the hours to get the wort down to the temperature suitable for the pitch. I had it ice bathed. The temperature would not go down and I may have opened the fermenter one too many times to check the temp. I made sure my tools were clean however... I'm just worried something may have gotten in my wort while the fermenter was opened.

    4. I must admit I gave up a little at the end. I pitched the yeast that had been in the fridge for an hour with the wort at 85 degrees. I could no longer keep my eyes open. I was weak. Now I'm wondering if I'm going to pay for that.

    It's up to you guys, I hate giving up, but if any of these things will turn my beer bad I don't want to wait 3 months to find out. I'd rather use my equipment now and try again... What do y'all think? Scrap or keep? Help a noobie out.
     
  2. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Nothing you did sounds like it will ruin your beer.

    I normally set my ale yeast out early during the brewing process to get the yeast close to pitching temp.

    Sounds like you just need to work on your process a bit, especially the cooling of your wort.
     
  3. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    Relax man, you didn“t do something terrible with this brew. Assuming you have pitched an Ale yeast let it cold down to a proper fermentation temp, I guess fermentation will start high due the high temp of pitching. It is possible you will need to age this beer a bit longer due high diacetyl production but nothing more than that. If you sanitized the elements correctly the risk of infection is relatively low. Never discard a beer until you are absolutly sure it is undrinkable !!!!
     
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  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Not ideal, but not devastating either, assuming the amount of yeast you were using was otherwise appropriate to the batch size and gravity.

    Ice baths aren't very efficient. I'd say your risk of infection was low. But I'd look into an immersion chiller.

    85F won't hurt the yeast. In fact, they'll love it. But you will likely have elevated esters in your beer, and possibly fusel alcohols. Time will tell.

    You won't have to wait three months, unless you're making an unusual style of beer. What process are you thinking will take that long?
     
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  5. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Regarding the smack pack, I often smack the pack the night before a brew (or the night before making a starter) and leave the package at room temperature all night (at least 12 hours). It's sealed, so there will be no adverse effect.

    Regarding the ice bath - it would have cooled down much more rapidly if you had stirred the beer while it is cooling (others will tell you that stirring risks infections - I have done this for many years - however with a wort chiller - with never once having an infection). You should also stir the water in the bath (using a different stir paddle) since you can get pockets of warm water adjacent to the bucket. You also might need to add more ice as it melts.

    Other than pitching a little on the high side (you should do a diacetyl rest), you shouldn't have any noticeable problems with your beer.
     
  6. Hogue2112

    Hogue2112 Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2016 Ohio

    Don't be defeated!

    I once didn't finish a brew until the sun came up...

    You can create a wort chiller that hooks up to a faucet no problem.

    Just learn something new with each brew!

    Totally keep that beer!
     
  7. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Pitching at 85F is a recipe for rocket fuel. Sorry.
     
  8. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    Wouldn't that just be for 'fermenting' at 85F?
     
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  9. CarolusP

    CarolusP Zealot (590) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    When I used to ice bath, I would ice bath inside of the kettle rather than the fermenter. Assuming you are using a plastic fermenter, the steel kettle is a much better conductor of temperatures, and will transfer the ice temperatures to the wort much more effectively. Also, to save on ice, you can rotate the water in just a plain cold water bath to get the wort down to about 140 or so fairly quickly, then starting adding ice after that to get it the rest of the way. As others have mentioned, stirring the wort during this process is key. You want as much of that wort coming into contact with the cold outside of the kettle as possible, otherwise it will definitely take hours to get down to temperature.
     
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  10. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Fermentation can start a lot faster when pitching hot. I'll bet some fermentation occurred in the 80s.

    If the temperature of the room was in the 70s, the most important part of the fermentation occurred above 75F. This can increase acetaldahyde by 20x. It will also increase esters and fusels.

    It also depends on what yeast strain was used and whether or not there was any form of temperature control other than Texas room temperature. If this was American ale yeast without temperature control set to 64-68F, the likelihood of this being a clean, smooth beer is low.
     
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  11. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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  12. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Exactly. I have done some questionable things and still wound up with tasty beer.
     
  13. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    Are all dry yeast packets to be smacked? I've never smacked one.
     
  14. mbbransc

    mbbransc Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 North Carolina

    And most ester production is produced within the first 24hrs. Probably going to have some off flavors in there.
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    No. They were referring to Wyeast liquid yeast smack-packs. Smacking a dry yeast pack won't do anything, except maybe break it open, I guess.
     
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  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Sort of agree, though it would be more accurate to say that early conditions largely determine the final ester profile. That's because the yeast first make fusels and other alcohols that are later converted to esters. So lots of fusels early on leads to lots of esters later.
     
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  17. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Other than RDWHAHB, this advice will serve you well. Some improvements will have huge impacts and some will have modest. You have to keep brewing and avoid making the same mistake twice. You brew a batch, but each batch is an "experience investment" that you apply going forward. So what if you have to dump it. You didn't set out to brew 1 batch of beer per lifetime I'm assuming. Start the process of improvements and start getting the next batch on deck.
     
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  18. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    One thing I learned early on from some mistakes I made was don't try to brew with new equipment/process at night. Too many possibilities for the 3 hour brew day to become a 5 hour brew day and fatigue set in. Always give yourself ample time to brew when making big changes, especially equipment you aren't totally comfortable with yet.
     
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  19. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    You should smack them around a bit to show them who's in charge
     
  20. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    This is not my week with the crystal ball, so I'm not gonna tell how it'll taste, like others have done. I would tell you to expect the worst, but that's already been covered, too (lighten up people!). I wouldn't sweat it until after you've tasted it. It may be just fine. You made a few mistakes, but none of them is necessarily a show stopper. You may get some fusel alcohols, or you may not. You may get some undesirable esters, or you may not. It may not be your proudest beer yet, then again, it may be. Worst case, you'll learn how, and to what extent, some of these mistakes affect the beer, so, even if it turns out to be a drain pour (doubtful), you will still have gotten some benefit from it. RDWHAHB
     
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