Fermentability/Mash Temps etc

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  1. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    I am trying to figure out a solid way to estimate and adjust fermentability. I know *generally* that 150 F will be highly fermentable, up to 162 for full body less fermentable. Also adjusting the grist/water ratio to an extent. But I mashed one brew at 170 (first AG batch, I now know that's a little too high) and it attenuated at 81% with Kolsch yeast!
    Can anyone help me get a better grip on controlling approximately what my FG will be? Just in general.
    Also, I'm about to brew a stout that I want to finish on the higher side...

    Thanks!
     
  2. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (1,111) Dec 12, 2011 New York

    Search for BrewCiper. Vikeman will hook you up.

    Your 170 mash is interesting though - at that temp all the enzymes that convert starch to fermentable sugars should be denatured. How confident are you in that temperature? ie was it that temp entirely from strike to boil, or was there any time where it was lower for any significant amount of time? are you sure it was 170 deg F everywhere in the mash, or just at one spot?
     
  3. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    While I could be wrong, my understanding is that a 170F mash will give you damn close to 0% conversion. The conclusion? You need to correct your method for measuring mash temp. It's likely you simply hit a hot spot in the mash bed.

    To answer your original question - well, I can't. I select a mash temp based on high, med, low fermentation, suitable to the style of beer I'm brewing. I haven't yet documented the results of different temps and, frankly, I don't care enough to develop that level of control. What I'm doing is good enough for me. Contrary to popular opinion, this is art, not science. And I'm lovin' it!

    Edit: ok, maybe it's a bit of Science, too. Perhaps I should have said "this is more art than Science"
     
  4. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    Well it must have just been a hot spot bc I got a 64% efficiency of 1.054 OG. i sparged at 165. But I won't be going higher than 162 anymore.
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Like mattbk said, you could try the BrewCipher spreadsheet. Download here.
    It's a general purpose brewing sheet that does what you're asking (among other things) by considering some mash parameters, grist, and yeast strain. Try it, compare results to your actual results, and dial-in the 'power factor' (if necessary) to give you better predictions on future batches.

    I have to say, if you really single infusion mashed at 170F, I'm surprised you got signifcant conversion at all (nevermind attenuation). How certain are you of your mash temp? Calibrated thermometer?

    Edit: I see some of this was redundant. Though I'll add... a 170F hot spot would still indicate a pretty dang hot mash (or bad thermometer), unless the temp was measured before stirring thoroughly.
     
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  6. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    When is the last time you calibrated your thermometer?
     
  7. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    How do you do that?
     
  8. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    This should help. I recall a buddy in my homebrew club was also pissed off that his beers never fermented out and got stuck fermentation. He comes to find out his thermometer was off by 10 degrees, so when he was mashing at 152 it was actually 162.

     
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  9. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Amen...Brother Mike.
     
  10. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    At 170F the Alpha will still be active, but it is just turning starches to dextrins. No Beta for sure (so I agree, Matt).

    I suspect the thermometer.
     
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  11. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    I dealt with this exact issue.
     
  12. Seacoastbrewer

    Seacoastbrewer Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2012 New Hampshire

    I find it's a good idea to calibrate those long meat thermometers often with a glass thermometer. Its seems they always get bumped around when clipped onto the side of the kettle and become less reliable. It's not a terrible idea to do this prior to every brew session.

    I've made practice of doing it anytime I'm doing a starter as I'll be boiling stuff anyway.
     
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