Fermentation Advice: Headspace in Secondary

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  1. stb08007

    stb08007 Initiate (0) May 28, 2014 Connecticut

    Great! Just double checking that it's alright to have it in there with other food nearby.

    I guess my question with that is really, how do I know when it's hit full carbonation?
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You can't tell without opening and sampling. If you want to be reasonably sure for a mid-gravity beer, I'd say give it 3 weeks in the bottle at 70F. But it can happen quicker too.
     
  3. stb08007

    stb08007 Initiate (0) May 28, 2014 Connecticut

    Alright, that makes sense. For reference, OG was 1.070 and we're shooting for a FG of 1.018. So maybe test at around 2-3 weeks after bottling for carbonation, age it a week and try it again?
     
  4. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Vikeman is correct about drinking the beer to find out when it's ready. I usually start sampling my bottled beer after 10 days, and usually by then it is nearly complete. Carbonate the bottles at the fermentation temp that was used for the beer, although I usually let it condition for a couple days at a slightly higher temp before storing it back in the basement to finish the carbonation process.

    Two tips:

    (1.) use the last 1-2 beers that were bottled for your first sampling (mark the cap with an 'X' so you know which ones). These bottles frequently get air bubbles from the filling process when your beer level hits the spigot outlet at the bottom of the bottling bucket, so you want them to be consumed early anyway.

    (2.) when mixing your priming sugar into the beer stir it gently to get it well mixed, and then do it a few more times during the bottling. The sugar is heavier than the beer and wants to settle out, so use some gentle upward strokes with your sanitized spoon from the bottom of the bucket to get it suspended again. Otherwise you'll have some over-carbonated bottles that could become gushers, and some under-carbonated bottles.
     
  5. toastw

    toastw Initiate (0) Aug 16, 2008 Texas

    I think I'm one of the few here whose secondary fermenter isn't just collecting dust.

    Like all the secondary haters said, you could definitely skip that part of the process. But if you're adamant about transferring to a secondary, then another solution is to sanitize a bunch of marbles and stick 'em in the larger carboy. That should fill up the extra head space nicely.
     
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  6. MarriedAtGI

    MarriedAtGI Zealot (569) Feb 26, 2013 Illinois

    I do this too, and I also mark the first bottle since starting the auto-siphon seems to cause some oxidation. And those beers have always been fine because I drank them early.
     
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  7. jivex5k

    jivex5k Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Florida

    Damn that long? I feel kind of bad for drinking my Berliner after a week, but it seemed carbonated enough to me.
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Not necessarily that long. As I said...to be reasonable sure. Risk management.
     
  9. stb08007

    stb08007 Initiate (0) May 28, 2014 Connecticut

    So today is 2 days shy of a full 3 weeks in the primary, and it seems to have stopped bubbling. I took a gravity reading and was slightly dismayed to find it came out a bit low at 1.008 (target was somewhere between 1.012-1.018). Now, I realize this thread has deviated somewhat from my original question, but is that going to be way out of whack for an IPA?
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    How sure are you about your gravity readings? 1.070 -> 1.008 is almost 89% apparent attenuation. What yeast strain did you use?
     
  11. stb08007

    stb08007 Initiate (0) May 28, 2014 Connecticut

    Well I used a hydrometer, and made sure to calibrate for temperature (as mine is standardized at 60F for readings). I also tested out the hydrometer in plain old tap water, and found it to read very close to, if not exactly 1.000 .

    Yeast was a smack pack of American Ale Yeast (Wyeast 1056).

    It is also possible that the OG was low to begin with, as the wort was still quite warm at that point, and I didn't realize you need to account for temperature when measuring gravity that way. OG SHOULD have been 1.068-1.071, but as I said we really blew it on the OG measurement, and I'm sure whatever we wrote down would be way off.

    EDIT: Actually, by looking at our notes and judging by the approximate temperature it would have been just before the boil, we had an OG of 1.068. So I believe the OG would actually have been correct.
     
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  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    1.068 to 1.008 would be about 88% apparent attenuation. That's pretty high for 1056, even if the deck had been stacked with a very fermentable all grain wort. Have you tasted it by any chance?
     
  13. stb08007

    stb08007 Initiate (0) May 28, 2014 Connecticut

    I did taste today's sample, which is the first and only time I've tasted it. It tasted like the sort of IPA we were shooting for, with floral and citrus notes, albeit (obviously) flat. Hop aroma was strong and I could smell it a solid foot or so away from the glass. I was surprised at the somewhat restrained hop character when I sipped it, but I assume that will improve somewhat with dry-hopping and carbonation. It didn't taste sweet, which I assume it would if there were much as yet unfermented sugars. Wasn't overly bitter either. It was nicely balanced, but overall tasted a bit weak (again, could be the lack of carbonation). As a disclaimer though, I'm not really sure what to be looking for taste-wise at this stage, as we jumped right into doing an all-grain batch for our first go around.

    Anything else specific you're thinking of from the taste?
     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Sour. With that high an attenuation, I was thinking a possible infection. But it doesn't sound like that's the case.
     
  15. stb08007

    stb08007 Initiate (0) May 28, 2014 Connecticut

    Yeah there was no sourness to be found at all.
     
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