Fermentation Chamber

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  1. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Okay, so I got my results back from the National Homebrew Competiton. A lot of the comments I received confirmed my belief that my current fermentation set up is not up to par and I have poor control over fermentation temperatures.

    I live in a small apartment and am looking for a space saving (and at this point inexpensive) way to better control my fermentation temps. I was thinking of using a 10 gallon beverage cooler such as this:
    http://www.amazon.com/Igloo-Gallon-...=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1335884466&sr=1-1
    And cutting a hole in the top for the neck of the carboy and the airlock. I saw a site where someone did this and thought it looked like a good idea. I could fill it with ice and water, my only concern is if the dimensions of all of these will allow a carboy to fit in them properly. I do like that it has a spigot I can use to drain the water if I need to.

    I also have seen these used:
    http://www.amazon.com/Igloo-Roller-Cooler-60-Quart-Ocean/dp/B002VQ9PU2/ref=pd_sim_sbs_sg_3
    But have heard a lot of reviews saying that it does a poor job keeping the temp cool for any significant length of time.

    Any other suggestions? Has anyone used either of these successfully? I do not really have the space for another fridge (or chest freezer) with a temperature controller in my current place and was ideally looking towards the above ideas as I can just store them in my closet and out of the way of everything (as well as out of the way of my girlfriend's complaints).
     
  2. goodonezach

    goodonezach Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2011 New York

    i just put a wet towel around my carboy and then put a fan on it. i've never done it before so i'll let you know how it it turns out, but so far it's fermenting a few degrees cooler than it would otherwise, which is right where we want it.

    EDIT: if you do this, either put it in a bucket and fill the bottom with water so it continually wicks water up, or stay on top of it and soak it again when it dries out.
     
  3. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    That is similar to my current set up and I find that since I am not home all day, keeping the temperature steady is a challenge... I was hoping a cooler could provide more stable temps.
     
  4. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    You could do a pimped-out swamp cooler...get the cooler, a thermowell and digital thermometer so you can monitor the internal temp of the fermenter.
     
  5. cmmcdonn

    cmmcdonn Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2009 Virginia

    Swamp cooler with damp towel and fan. I don't bother with the beer temp, I just monitor the surrounding water and assume 3-5 degrees warmer inside during active fermentation.
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Swamp cooler with damp towel and fan ‘works’ for me as well. You also have the option of adding refreezable blue cubes to the water if you need ‘extra’ cooling.

    My recommendation to the OP is to try the simpler approach first (which happens to ‘work’ for many homebrewers including me). All you need is a rubbermaid type pan, water, a towel and a fan. Many times I don’t even use the fan; just plain old evaporative cooling is sufficient the majority of the time.

    Cheers!
     
  7. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Already use that method but unfortunately find that it is too inconsistent for me. Just looking to see what my other options are at this time.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Already use that method but unfortunately find that it is too inconsistent for me.”

    I am sorry to hear that you have had ‘inconsistency’ problems. Evaporative cooling has worked very well for me.

    A potential solution for you is to construct a Son of Fermentation Chiller (SOFC) but I am uncertain whether this ‘fits’ with the small apartment aspect.

    I built a SOFC last fall. I used it this past winter as a lagering chamber for my homebrewed Pilsners. The SOFC maintains a very precise temperature. I maintained 39 ± 1°F with my SOFC. I will not use SOFC for my ales; I am very happy with the results of my evaporative cooling method. Evaporative cooling is pretty much hands off.

    Here are plans for the SOFC is you are interested: http://home.roadrunner.com/~brewbeer/chiller/chiller.PDF

    Cheers!
     
  9. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Yeah, Ill have to see if there is something I can change up with my method... thanks for the link!
     
  10. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    The Son of Fermentation Chiller really doesnt seem like it is too space consuming, maybe I could have a friend build it who has all of the necessary space and tools and still store it in my closet.
     
  11. mylar

    mylar Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2011 Pennsylvania

    Check out some of the projects on the BNs website, they have two different DIY projects for temp control. One is a pond pump immersion swamp cooler, the other is a dead chest freeze, bot require a working refrigerator to be handy though.
     
  12. Swim424

    Swim424 Pundit (881) Apr 29, 2011 Florida

    Im doing it in a big garbage can half way up the carboy with water, putting ice in a few times a day with a damp towel around it and a damp towel over the top of the can. Its 95 here and I have been fermenting just under 70 consistantly. By tasting it during gravity readings its pretty smooth and nice.
     
  13. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    I think I am going to try the son of fermentation chamber. I have wanted to lager for a while now so that is pushing me more towards it as it provides multiple purposes for me. Is it hard to maintain temps that low for the lagering period, or does it just take changing the ice a little more often?
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Is it hard to maintain temps that low for the lagering period, or does it just take changing the ice a little more often?” Well, I had my SOFC in my half-basement and I lagered during the winter months. The ambient temperature was on the cool side (upper 50’s). I had the swap out the ice (frozen jugs of water) every couple of days. I would think that if the SOFC was located in a room temperature area (e.g., 70 degrees F) then it would be a chore to maintain lagering temperature but you could probably do it.

    I also augmented the lagering cooling temperature by placing blue cubes within the fermentation chamber as well. I placed them very close to the carboy.

    Cheers!
     
  15. goodonezach

    goodonezach Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2011 New York

    if you can't get it down to lagering temps consistently you could always use a california lager yeast, which ferments closer to ale temps.
     
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  16. SwillBilly

    SwillBilly Savant (1,180) Feb 4, 2004 Virginia

    I've used the Igloo Ice Cube cooler with a hole cut out for many years, along with my small chest freezer. I use frozen ice packs or water bottles to keep cool and work really well. I monitor temps with a remote thermometer probe. If you add water and are diligent about replacing water bottles on a daily basis you'll be able to lager in it. However, I found that too labor intensive, hence the chest freezer I have now.
     
  17. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    A chest freezer will be one of my first homebrew related investments once I get my own house (way down the line though).
     
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