Fermentation help

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Latima, Jan 12, 2014.

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  1. Latima

    Latima Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2014

    Hi all,

    This is my second brewing kit and this time around isn't going as smoothly as my first time. So I am trying a Christmas blend and I am sure I boiled the water, added the malt, etc. Then I pitched the yeast and followed the instructions perfectly. My apt is kind of warm so I set my fermenting bottle by the window to try and stabilize the temp and the first couple of days were fine. There were no bubbles like the first time, but after reading some other forums I don't think that matters. Well now (1 week later) there is no activity at all. There is left over residue on the top (shows signs of fermentation) and yeast settled at that bottom (about an inch and a half). I checked the gravity when I started (0.069) and now after a week the gravity has not changed.

    I do not know what went wrong. Is this batch ruined or is there something I can do to save this batch. It smells amazing, and I had a sip when I tested the gravity and it just tasted flat. Any suggestions? Anything would help. Thanks :slight_smile:
     
  2. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    How big is your batch, and what type of yeast was used? Can you describe the 'left over residue' and is any of it stuck on the side wall of your fermenter? What was the temp of the wort when the yeast were pitched, and about what is the ambient temp where your fermenter is sitting? If it's next to a window does the temp there fluctuate very much during the day? Is it getting direct sunlight? Is your fermenter a carboy so that you're getting a greenhouse effect, thus too much heat?

    If you can tell us more information about your recipe is then we might be able to help you better.
     
  3. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    An original gravity of 0.069? Are you sure it wasn't 1.069? What gravity does your hydrometer read in plain water?
     
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  4. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    No change in gravity ==> no fermentation.
    Too soon to give up.
    Re-pitch some fresh yeast as soon as you can.
     
  5. Latima

    Latima Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2014

    The batch is 5 gallons. The yeast was 3711-French Saison the temp was supposed to be between 65 and 77 F. The left over residue is foam like around the top of the ferment bottle (clear glass 5 gallon carboy with a basic plastic top to release the co2) the residue on the bottom is tan in color and it looks thick very dense it is about in inch thick on the bottom of the bottle. I think the wort was in the high 70s when I pitched the yeast. I would guess the ambient temp is around 80 or so, which is why I decided to place by the window to cool it off a bit. I guess I would say the temp does fluctuate during the day and the window is large so it gives off a lot of natural light throughout the day, but last week was a bit crappy rain and clouds. (NYC)

    Does this help? I am really hoping I don't have to toss this batch. The batch is called Sinterklaas Bier Partial-Mash recipe. It is a Belgian style Christmas specialty. Amber ale spiced with pink peppercorns, ginger, and orange peel.
     
  6. Latima

    Latima Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2014

    If this is my last option I will, thanks! I will have to figure out how to re pitch the yeast. Sorry if I lack the knowledge on some of these things. I am a novice when it comes to home brewing.
     
  7. Latima

    Latima Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2014

    Yes, I apologize for the typo. It was 1.069 when I started. Thanks for the correction!
     
  8. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    Did you only pitch 1 smack pack of wyeast 3711, without a starter? What is the manufacturing date for the smack pack? Even if it was very fresh, 1 smack pack would be a huge underpitch for 5 gallons of 1.069 wort. You needed about 250 billion cells for this batch.

    http://yeastcalc.com/
     
  9. Latima

    Latima Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2014

    Damn, I did only used 1 pack. So it is not too late to add more yeast? Today makes 8 days since I started.
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Underpitching can cause a sluggish fermentation and can cause a beer to be slightly underattenuated. But after a week at appropriate (or somewhat higher temperatures), zero attenuation is probably not due to underpitching. It may be that there were no viable yeast in the pack. Two questions...

    - How sure are you about your current hydrometer reading?
    - Can you describe the 'foam' you're seeing? Is it transparent bubbles? Opaque crusty stuff stuck to the sides of the fermenter? Other?
     
  11. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    If it's your second batch of beer ever, there are a few things you can check. First, the hydrometer reading. Have you calibrated it by checking its readout in plain water and adjusted for temperature? Most hydrometers with introductory kits seem to be calibrated to read 1.000 at 60°F. That said, you indicate there was no change between immediately after the boil and now. It's too late to double check your initial reading, but maybe double check your current gravity after you know what your adjustments for equipment error and temperature are.

    Second, when you say it smells amazing and a sample tastes "flat", that would be normal, but does it taste like finished beer, or like the excessively sweet sugary wort you started off with before pitching the yeast? If it tastes like beer, then there has been activity from the yeast you pitched, even if you did not pitch enough yeast or very healthy yeast. If this batch is developing o.k., you may or may not want to try to pitch more yeast at this point, but you definitely want to make sure it is done before you think about taking it off the yeast and packaging. This goes back to the first consideration, that you should be confident in your hydrometer readings.
     
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  12. Latima

    Latima Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2014

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    Actually the substance at the bottom looks more like sand and at the top there is residue on the bottle. Hopefully these photos work.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/latima_stephens/sets/72157639728514516/

    I am really sure about the hydrometer readings.

    I actually just remembered I forgot to put water in the cap above the ferment bottle. So I just filled it with water. Could that be the problem? DAMN!
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    That looks like a residual krausen ring stuck to the walls of your fermenter above the wort/beer line, which means you had some very active yeast. It's hard to believe the gravity hasn't changed at all. Did you add anything (other than yeast) after taking the original gravity reading?
     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Well, it allowed more oxygen to enter, and possibly bacteria/wild yeast. But neither of these things would have prevented fermentation.
     
  15. Latima

    Latima Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2014

    I didn't add anything after taking the reading.

    After I made the batch I thought everything was fine because I saw it was fermenting. It was very active for the first day then it just stopped. I waited it out because this is only my second time so I am not sure what really happens during this process. When I checked the gravity it made absolutely no change. I thought it was weird myself because I saw something happening.

    So it tastes very flat with not much flavor at all. Not sweet and sugary. Just flat. It does not taste like beer ready to bottle.
     
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If it's not sweet, some level of fermentation has happened and the gravity has to have changed. Try your hydrometer in plain water at about a temperature between 60 and 68 degrees F. Does it read 1.000 or very close to it? If so, measure your wort/beer again.
     
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  17. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
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    Measure and post a picture if possible. I would also almost guarantee it has changed looking at that layer of krausen.
     
  18. Latima

    Latima Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2014

    OK, I will do it tonight after work and post a picture. Thanks everyone for your help on this!!
     
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  19. redmaw

    redmaw Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Did you do a partial boil? The reason I ask is I did this and took a bottom sample for my OG reading, and it was way to high. The consensus is that the top off water wasn't mixed in well. If you sampled from the top, instead of the bottom you OG reading could have been low. That being said 1.069 is pretty high to be a low reading. It could explain the fact that the OG didn't move though.
     
  20. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    The visual evidence from your photos does not seem to agree with your gravity reading, so I think we're all kind of shooting in the dark with questions to try to help you. So, borrowing from redmaw's thought above, here's another shot in the dark question (a long shot): when you took your second 1.069 gravity reading did you possibly stir the beer and get the trub into suspension, thus a false high reading could result?
     
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