Fermentation trouble?

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  1. burymeintimbergreen

    burymeintimbergreen Initiate (0) Feb 15, 2015 Oregon

    Newbie home brewer here, and I can use some advice.

    I just brewed my first batch of home brew yesterday afternoon (saturday). This morning (and last night), there is absolutely no activity in the airlock. I know it can be a number of factors: temperature when pitched, bad yeast, bacteria (gulp!), a bad seal on fermenter...

    When I first pitched the yeast and put the lid on (as tightly sealed I could get it), the airlock was bubbling a ton, not just a burp here and there, but so much activity that bubbles from the starsan/water solution in the airlock (s-shaped) were coming out the top. I kept the beer in the garage for a few hours while my family and I were out. It wasn't warm in there, but not cold either, but perhaps too cold for the beer? Doing some reading that too cold a temp will make yeast dorment, before going to sleep last night I made space for the fermenter to keep in a closet in our hallway.

    I did a quick (really quick) peak by lifting part of the lid and checking out the wort this morning. No krausen accumulated on the top, and I didn't visibly see yeast activity. From the outside, I can see a thick layer (about 2 inches) of trub on the bottom.

    Is it possible that I pitched too much yeast (see below), and that's why airlock was so busy at first and now nothing, or maybe the temperature was too cold?

    Or maybe I just need to chill out, stop being a nervous father and hope for the best?

    Here are the details of the brew:
    -IPA (5 gallons)
    -Plastic bucket fermenter
    -cooled wort with immersion chiller faster than anticipated and pitched yeast at 60 degrees F (or just below)
    -liquid yeast by Wyeast American Ale 1056: pitched two packets, upon recommendation from guy at brew shop because of the 8lbs of extract I used

    Advice on how to proceed are greatly appreciated.

    Travis
     
  2. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    I think it's too early to worry. It's a little odd that you observed rapid bubbling at first and now nothing, but I wouldn't be concerned at this point. Try to hold it in the mid-60s if you can, at that temperature the yeast will definitely be able to do their job.
     
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  3. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    What were your temps in both the closet and garage? VERY likely your sure fired solution is to . . . relax it will be just fine.
     
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  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Settle down, keep the wort in the mid/upper 60s, stop peeking, and check the gravity in two weeks.
     
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  5. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Once the yeast start you should see a krausen ring (high-water mark) above the wort/beer. This can be as little as one inch or all the way to the lid. In a plastic bucket you can see this ring by shining a flashlight through the side of the primary in a darkened room. Normally you can pick out top of liquid and top of krausen ring. If the initial airlock activity was a sign of fermentation then some sort of krasuen residue should be visible.

    Temp control is important. Measuring temperature as "wasn't warm" and "but not cold" is not the best approach. Shoot for the mid 60s and avoid big swings. Your yeast are prima donnas . . . treat them that way.
     
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  6. burymeintimbergreen

    burymeintimbergreen Initiate (0) Feb 15, 2015 Oregon

    Thanks all, my approach today is to leave it be. It's been and will continue to sit at room temp in my closet.
     
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  7. burymeintimbergreen

    burymeintimbergreen Initiate (0) Feb 15, 2015 Oregon

    I've let it be in the closet. Going on 44 hours since transferring it to fermenter, still no activity in airlock besides the heavy bubbling at the start.

    hmmm...
     
  8. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Is the fluid in the airlock mostly on the high side or low side? The high side is the side closest to the exhaust port.
     
  9. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    This might be confusing to him if he uses the 3-piece airlock.

    OP, do you have an approximate temp for the inside of your closet? I think you could put your fermentor out where the temp is 70-72 degrees to give the yeast a boost (if the closet is chilly). If you pitched at 60 degrees the yeast may have gone on strike. If the warmer room temp produces bubbles then you can put it back in the closet. (That's presuming that your closet is around 65 or so.)

    I'm going to take a stab at a reason for the initial bubbling that you experienced. If you pitched the yeast at 60° and then allowed the fermentor to get a little colder in the garage, when you brought it indoors the air in the head space simply expanded with the warmer temp and produced bubbles. So, it was likely a false alarm.
     
  10. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    He said he was using an S-shaped airlock

    [​IMG]

    This is what I mean by high side.
     
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  11. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    My bad, I missed that info. :slight_frown:
     
  12. burymeintimbergreen

    burymeintimbergreen Initiate (0) Feb 15, 2015 Oregon

    It is
    It was actually level among both sides. However, this afternoon I moved the fermenter (as gently as possible) to the living room while the heat was on to try and activate the yeast. Sure enough it worked and it kept at it for some time. It's slowed now, almost to no burps. Now the water is on the high side.
     
  13. burymeintimbergreen

    burymeintimbergreen Initiate (0) Feb 15, 2015 Oregon

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    I moved it to the living room while the heat ran and sure enough the airlock had lots of activity. After being in the room bubbling for 30+minutes I watched it for 10 minutes with a stop watched and it was burping at an average rate of once every 85 seconds. It slowed after a while and I have moved it back to the closet. We'll see how it progresses.

    What other signs should I look for that don't require opening the lid (I don't want that unless it's a last resort) I know airlock activity will eventually slow and is not the only indicator of fermentation.
     
  14. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I never tried this when I used a bucket for fermentation, but there have been postings in this forum that you can shine a flashlight thru the side of the bucket from behind and be able to see the krausen bubble level above the liquid. This is probably best done in a darkened room.
     
  15. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    QUOTE="burymeintimbergreen, post: 3301378, member: 944962"]before going to sleep last night I made space for the fermenter to keep in a closet in our hallway.[/QUOTE]

    What, you didn't snuggle up with your fermenter? : )

    FWIW, because I use a bucket, my favorite part of high krausen is the aroma (depending on the yeast used) .[
     
  16. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    @burymeintimbergreen Right there is another indicator that fermentation is occurring. The aroma and the CO2 has to get outside of the bucket somehow and if it smells like beer, you're on your way.
     
  17. imdabuzzard

    imdabuzzard Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2015 Ohio

    It is possible to miss the bubbling, it can happen quickly and for a short period of time.
    Take a gravity reading when all else fails. That will tell you for sure.
    You'll know an infection if you get it, you'll be able to smell it when you open the lid. I've only had like one in hundred. What a sad day. I just drank it as quickly as possible and chalked it up to experience .
     
  18. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Relax.
    Don't worry.
    No.
    Over-pitching home brew is next to unpossible.
    Relax.
    Don't worry.
    Stop being nervous.
     
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  19. burymeintimbergreen

    burymeintimbergreen Initiate (0) Feb 15, 2015 Oregon

    Happy to report that all is well in fermentation land! It's been steadily off gassing for at least 24 hours, there's krausen accumulating along the inside of the bucket and when getting my nose close to the airlock it smells awesome!

    Thanks for the help and advice. I'm excited to have this community of support! This is fun!
     
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  20. burymeintimbergreen

    burymeintimbergreen Initiate (0) Feb 15, 2015 Oregon

    Well, 5 weeks ago I brewed my first batch (the very one of this post) and after much excitement and concern I am here to say that it turned out!!! A bit on the malty side, but some piney hop notes at the end and a smooth finish. Thanks y'all!
     
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